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2020.08.24 08:33 SuzerainShitstormBirthday Travel Options -- Looking for Recommendations!
Hey all! For the first time in my life, I'm looking to travel during my birthday week. I've taken off work from the 15th-20th of September to facilitate some travel time with my lady. If there are any travel restrictions in these areas/states -- like mandatory quarantines before entering/exiting the state, please let me know. I'm not sure where to find that information. Currently, we're looking at three spots. First; Austin, TX. - We're looking to kind of have some fun time here because after we get out of college, we're probably going to end up moving here. She's thinking of attending grad school in the area and I'll probably get a job teaching at a local high school. It would be nice to visit the area beforehand to get a feel for the environment. I'm a Texas native (born in Friona, raised in Mabank), and have been to Austin before -- albeit briefly. Second; Colorado Springs, CO - We LOVE mountainous/nature scenes. From what I can tell, Pikes Peak is a beautiful place to be. Other than that, I'm pretty well in the dark about Colorado. Third; New Orleans, LA - I know, I know...these dang hurricanes are tearing it up right now. I'm hoping that they'll be over by the time our travel date comes up, but if not we can still rely on the other two options we have here. I've never been to Louisiana, despite getting REAL close one time when I was in Longview, TX. - I'd probably also want to visit Biloxi Beach, MS while I'm there, just to finally get to see a bit of the ocean/Gulf (I haven't seen that either, besides out of a plane window). Suggestions We're Looking For in These Locations:
Local Food Spots -- We love to try food from restaurants that aren't readily available to us. We try to stay away from chains, but we understand our budget may necessitate some McDonalds on some days.
Sight-Seeing -- We never want to travel somewhere without seeing all/most of what that place has to offer. If there are any niche sights to check out in these locations, drop them here!
Light Hiking/Walking Trails -- My lady has some bad knee injuries that prevent her from doing a lot of rough hiking, but we both still love to do it when we can -- anything that may be conducive to a knee injury is welcome here. Even if it's driving around the trail / forested area.
Thank everyone in advance for some feedback here! If you have some other travel destinations that are within driving distance of Oklahoma City, OK, feel free to let us know about those as well!
Thanks to everyone who filled out the survey! I was hoping to get some insight into what's bringing people here and how we can improve, and I think we mostly met that goal! You can go on a deep dive into the results below. In general, people come here because of the sense of community and how nice everyone is. Ways we can improve: more engagement with each other and with the band (I lost count of how many people asked for Rian's AMA lol). The mods will work on what we want to do with some of these ideas and go from there. 81 people filled out the survey. Last year, we had 65 responses. I linked the results to the last survey, but I have not yet gone through to see what's similar and what's different. Disclaimer #1: Some comments were lightly edited for clarify or spelling. Disclaimer #2: Next time I think I want to do a survey, someone please remind me how much freaking work it is to put all the data together. Disclaimer #3: My comments are in bold, as are the top selections for each category. I was a little sassy. Reminder: There are controversial opinions about the band and normal song opinions. You're welcome to respond to anything but remember to be nice and respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and mostly everyone is here because of how welcoming the community is.
Male: 27 people / 33%
Female: 4 people / 58%
Non-Binary: 7 people / 9%
US: 47 people / 58%
Europe: 2 people / 3%
UK: 12 people / 15%
Asia: 5 people / 6%
South America: 2 people / 3%
Australia: 5 people / 6%
Canada: 5 people / 6%
Northern Ireland: 2 people / 3%(1 person was born in Ireland and now resides in Northern Ireland)
New Zealand: 1 person / 1%
State (if in US)
Alabama: 2 people
California: 4 people
Colorado: 1 person
Connecticut: 1 person
Florida: 1 person
Illinois 1 person
Kentucky: 1 person
Maryland: 2 people
Massachusetts: 2 people
Minnesota: 1 person
Nebraska: 1 person
New Hampshire: 3 people
New York: 5 people
North Carolina: 3 people
Ohio: 6 people
Oregon: 1 person
Pennsylvania: 4 people
South Carolina: 1 person
Texas: 3 people
Virginia: 1 person
West Virginia: 1 person
Wisconsin: 1 person
Under 15: 9 people / 11%
16-18: 13 people / 16
19-24: 30 people / 37%
25-29: 19 people / 34%
30-34: 9 people / 11% the best age group, am I right?
35+: 1 person / 1%
How Long Have You Been Listening to ATL?
Less than a year: 11 people / 14%
1-2 years: 6 people / 7%
3-5 years: 19 people / 24%
6-10 years: 16 people / 20%
10+ years: 29 people / 36%
First Album/EP You Listened To?
The Party Scene: 3 people / 4%
Put Up or Shut Up: 9 people / 11%
So Wrong, It's Right: 19 people / 24%
Nothing Personal: 27 people / 33%
Dirty Work: 4 people / 5%
Don't Panic: 6 people / 7%
Future Hearts: 9 people / 9%
Last Young Renegade: 3 people / 4%
Wake Up, Sunshine: 1 person / 1%
Where Does ATL Fit Into Your Favorite Bands?
They are my favorite: 38 people / 48%
Tied for favorite: 18 people / 23%
Top 3: 10 people / 13% is it weird that I mod this sub and my answer is down here?
Top 5: 6 people / 8%
Top 10: 7 people / 9%
Not a favorite but still like them: 1 person / 1%
How Many Times Have You Seen ATL Live?
0 :(: 33 people/ 41% This is sad and we must fix it
1: 8 people / 10%
2: 8 people / 10%
3: 6 people / 9%
4-5: 7 people / 9%
6-10: 11 people / 14%
10+: 8 people / 10%
Do you watch/listen to Crash Test Live/Full Frontal?
Yes: 22 people / 27%
No: 32 people / 40%
Sometimes: 23 people / 29%
Used to watch FF, but don't watch CTL (2 people)
I was a guest on Crash Test Live
The Party Scene: 1 / 1%
Put Up or Shut Up: 1 / 1%
So Wrong, It's Right: 11 / 14%
Nothing Personal: 15 / 19%
Dirty Work: 2 / 3%
Don't Panic: 12 / 15%
Future Hearts: 11 / 14%
Last Young Renegade: 7 / 9%
Wake Up, Sunshine: 20 / 25% this makes my heart so happy, even though I think WUS stole most of the Don't Panic votes.
Least Favorite Album/EP
The Party Scene 25 / 33%
Put Up or Shut Up 9 / 12%
So Wrong, It's Right 7 / 9%
Nothing Personal 0 / 0%
Dirty Work 9 / 12%
Don't Panic 2 / 3%
Future Hearts 7 / 9%
Last Young Renegade 16 / 21%
Wake Up, Sunshine 0 / 0% I would like to point out that last year, a handful of people voted "the new album we haven't heard yet" as their least favorite album. I hope you are feeling shame now.
A Love Like War
Backseat Serenade (2)
Bottle and a Beat
break your little heart
Cinderblock Garden (5) this is really too varied to be significant but Cinderblock Garden is kinda the winner
Coffee shop soundtrack
Dark Side of Your Room
Drugs & Candy
For Baltimore (3)
Glitter & Crimson (5)
Hello, Brooklyn (2)
Irony of Choking on a Lifesaver
Jasey Rae (4)
Last Young Renegade
Let It Roll
Lost in Stereo
Melancholy Kaleidoscope (2)
Monsters (ft. Blackbear) (3)
Old Scars / Future Hearts (4)
Paint You Wings (2)
Return The Favor
Six Feet Under the Stars (3)
Something's Gotta Give
Somewhere in Neverland
The Reckless and the Brave
The Girls a Straight Up Hustler (2)
To Live and Let Go
Trouble Is (2)
Under a Paper Moon (2)
Wake Up Sunshine
Least Favorite Song
A Love Like War
Bad Enough For You
Bail Me Out
Cinderblock Garden (2)
Coffee Shop Soundtrack
Come One, Come All (2)
Damned If I Do Ya (10 Year Tribute Version)
Drugs and Candy (2)
Good Times (2)
Ground Control (3)
I Feel Like Dancin' (4)
Idk something from PUOSU
Most of the party scene and put up or shut up (sorry)
My Only One (2)
No Idea (3)
Something from LYR
So Long Soldier
Somethings Gotta Give
Stick, Stones, and Techno (5)
That Girl (3)
The Irony of Choking on a Lifesaver
Too Much (10) RIP sweet summer child
Toxic Valentine (2)
Favorite Opener - this band has some great openers. I went with Reckless but it was hard to choose!
The Party Scene 0 / 0%
Coffee Shop Soundtrack 8 / 10%
This Is How We Do 0 / 0 % isn't someone here obsessed with this song? where were you on this one?
Weightless 25 / 31%
Do You Want Me (Dead?) 11 / 14%
The Reckless And The Brave 12 / 15%
Satelite 2 / 3%
Last Young Renegade 10 / 13%
Some Kind of Disaster 12 / 15%
Sticks, Stones, and Techno 2 / 3%
Lullabies 2 / 3%
Poppin Champagne 7 / 9%
Therapy 5 / 6%
Heroes 10 / 13%
So Long and Thanks For All The Booze 2 / 3%
Old Scars/Future Hearts 28 / 35% yes, correct.
Afterglow 11 / 14%
Basement Noise 13 /16%
Favorite Part of ATL
Lyrics 5 6%
Music 16 / 20%
Live Show 5 / 6%
Everything 53 / 65%
lyrics and music and how well they fit together and create the perfect mood foreach song
Depends on the song, I like some for the lyrics and some for the sound more
Least Favorite Part of ATL - this is why we're all reading this post, right?
Dick jokes and general immaturity. I get it's how they are, but I don't find it super entertaining.
Dick jokes between songs live, but only because I like to watch the shows out loud at home with my parents nearby 😅
Does the bougie farm count? In my esteemed opinion: yes, yes it does
Don’t tour in my country.
How they toy with my heart
I hate how messed up the m&g system used to be. I was in the hustler club for a year in 2013-2014 and found it impossible to get m&g and have heard from friends that it’s only gotten worse
I worry they're still friends with men in bands that have been accused of sexual misconduct They need a stronger stance on this issue for sure!
It's not about them, bit sometimes Stan twitter can get really intense about topics So intense.
Jack acting like a 12 yr old
Jack's attitude is pretty annoying Quarantine Jack is giving me life, though! He seems like he's doing great!
Standing on shoulders for SGG lmao
That I haven't seen them live
That we aren’t neighbors I personally would not want to live near that much manure. Maybe the other guys aren't so bad.
The bra-throwing, especially in their earlier days. It's super uncomfortable knowing that heaps of those bras come from underaged girls and whatnot. But I'm glad to see that the boys have matured heaps since they started out!
The dick jokes can get kinda old at times now
The fact that I'm 15 and they're o l d I take offense to this o l d comment
The fact that they always seem to skip over Ireland when they go on tour...
The fact that they never come here!
the ugly merch and the ignoring of The Party Scene and ttwtridwte ep Stop putting your faces on all your merch, guys.
The younger fandom
They've stopped touring certain cities
Too Much lmao this is so specific and I love it
When I’m not at a concert
the immature Blink a la 1998 thing they still sometimes do
They don't come to Canada enough!
Throwing bras on stage
Most of the merch isn’t very good tbh NO. MORE. FACES. ON. SHIRTS.
Bonus tracks that don't get released where I am :(
Jack’s 13-year-old jokes. Get some new material please.
"Stan" culture in general.
A Love Like War (2)
Bad Enough For You
Bottle and a Beat (15) We're on the right side of history here
Future Hearts B-Sides (2)
Get Down on Your Knees and Tell Me You Love Me
How The Story Ends (5)
I Hate That For You
Painting Flowers (2)
Take Cover (5)
Vampire Shift (6)
Your Bed (3)
Favorite Song to Hear Live
Backseat Serenade (2)
Cinderblock Garden (2)
Damned If I Do Ya (Damned If I Don’t) (2)
Dancing with a Wolf
Dark Side of Your Room (2)
Dear Maria (4)
Do You Want Me (Dead)?
Everything is Fine
Jasey Rae (4)
Kids in the Dark
Lost In Stereo (4)
Six Feet Under The Stars
Some Kind of Disaster
Something's Gotta Give
Somewhere in Neverland (4)
Weightless (6) but like the old way, right?
Least Favorite Song to Hear Live
A Love Like War
Dark Side of Your Room (2)
Dear Maria (4)
Dirty Laundry (3)
Drugs and Candy
Good Times (2)
Lost in Stereo
Missing You (2)
Something's Gotta Give (5) this is on brand for this sub
Time Bomb (2)
Too Much (6)
Dream song to hear live that they WILL NOT PLAY?
...I Feel Like Dancin’
A Daydream Away (5) - seriously!
All of the future hearts b-sides
Bottle and a Beat (4) yes
Coffee Shop Soundtrack
Get Down on Your Knees and Tell Me You Love Me
Is it too early to say Pretty Venom? (2)
Paint You Wing (6) please bring her justice by letting her win DP survivor
Return the Favor (2)
Running from Lions
Safe (I think most of my favs they have actually played live at some point. Haven't heard Safe yet, would love that!) IF THEY DON'T PLAY SAFE I WILL RIOT
Six feet under the stars
STICKS STONES AND TECHNO (2)
The Girl’s a Straight Up Hustler (3)
To Live and Let Go
Too Much (I know they used to play it but I doubt they will again)
Toxic Valentine (3)
Under A Paper Moon (3)
No idea, I guess Konstantine by Something Corporate ohhhhhh-kayyyyy
Do you have a favorite member?
Jack 11 / 14%
Zack 7 / 9%
Alex 20 / 26%
Rian 14 / 18% kind of a disappointing showing for this sub lol
Love 'Em All Equally 25 / 32%
I hate them all, why am I here 1 / 1%
Wow us with your controversial opinions/hot takes: or is it THIS section we're all here for?
ATL should post more on their tiktok. Jack is really good at TikTok
Dirty Work isn’t that bad. It's quite good, with a few exceptions
Favorite Place is easily the best song on WUS.
Getaway Green sucks, SGG doesn't :D
I actually enjoy Bail Me Out lol
I actually like SGG Sometimes I forgot that I actually do like SGG and BS because I lean so hard into the jokes here lol
I can’t stand the new version of Lost In Stereo, the screamed part is just so irritating to me and I skip it every time (I love the original version though)
Dirty Work isn’t their best album, but it’s also not nearly as bad as a lot of people make it out to be, it’s a really fun and catchy album even though the lyrics are kind of dated and cringy sometimes
Pretty Venom is extremely underrated
I do not like So Wrong It's Right at all
I do not think Monsters is the best song from WUS and I believe it is not as good as some fans make it out to be
I don’t like Don’t Panic a lot (it’s not bad but it’s not even close to my favorite), and I really like Last Young Renegade (it’s my second favorite). I also don’t like Clumsy that much (again it’s not bad but it’s not one of my favorites at all) your opinions make me sad but that's okay
I don’t mind the fan club name change hustlers was weird. i said it.
I feel like dancing is a great song and people just hate on it cause its fun and doesnt have a deeper meaning
I hate the farm I don't think this was me.
I hate Weightless, I don't like the singles from Don't Panic that much and Dirty Work has the best deepcuts.
I love Backseat and SGG and love when they play them live SUCK IT lmaooooooo are you Alex?
i really like the song bail me out
Jack is a man child who needs AA wellllll let's not speculate on someone's mental health okay?
Jack is easily the worst member of ATL
Last Young Renegade is great and if you don’t like the album now you’ll go back to it in a few years and love it.
Most of the acoustic tracks on albums aren't good
OS/FH and Hello, Brooklyn are not good songs.
People are way too critical of Alex online. Every other day, people are coming after him for something when he’s only one person. Dude has a million followers and puts his foot in his mouth sometimes. At least he usually owns up to it.
Put Up or Shit Up is way better than So Wrong It’s Right
red streak jack was better than current blonde jack, change my mind
Something's Gotta Give gets WAY too much slander SGG gets way too much shoulder. SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
Sticks, Stones, and Techno doesn't deserve the hate it gets
Super underrated (not really controversial)
the alcohol jokes were funny the first fifty times but i’m honestly tired of them and the constant promotion of their millions of wines etc. i’m not saying i hate drinking or something,,, i just wanna hear some new banter rather than the same three jokes repeated with a wine promo somewhere in the middle.
The fanbase hasn't something against Too Much, but it's one of my favourite songs. Nothing Personal
The farm is awful. I don’t like most of SWIR or LYR I don't think this was me. I like most of LYR and SWIR.
They don't have a single 'bad' song
Three Words/The Party Scene deserve to be recognized by the band while talking about their discography. Also, Dear Maria is and will always be a bop.
"Tidal Waves is a super weak song. obligatory Mark Hoppus features don't need anything besides The Hoppus lol
Dirty Work is a super solid album, though I admit a few songs are hit or miss.
That Girl is a banger of just a funny/ridiculous song.
Everything is Fine / Birthday are great, fun songs.
So Wrong It's Right is overrated, largely due to nostalgia, with only a few shining songs on the album.
Pretty Venom is underrated and is one of the best songs on WUS, better than Clumsy, Safe, and the Seasons at least. It's got a vibe to it that you'd listen to it with big headphones at midnight, while lying on your bed in the dark and staring up at the ceiling.
Too Much and Walls are the best songs on Nothing Personal, Weightless and Damned are highly overrated, Last Young Renegade was a mistake, Glitter & Crimson tries too hard, The Irony of Choking on a Lifesaver is bad These takes are super toasty, but I'm with you on G & C
Too Much is a good song, Nightmares is a bad song
Too much is a much better song than people think it's just too much for me
Wouldn't mind hearing more of Alex rapping! i believe your wish has come true
Alex gets a pass for a lot of things because he's the singesongwriter and people want to like him, but he oozes privilege a lot of the time and is sometimes kind of tone deaf (not musically of course) oh yes this one was me I remember it now
Basement noise is a good song
LYR is a top tier album no matter what anyone says. Also hope they release the B-Sides on Spotify soon
Dirty Work has more bops than flops
People need to stop pretending Dirty Work is good! The joke has gone on long enough!
I don't understand why Dear Maria has so many plays, it's not even the best song on that album
Jack has had the best glow up of everyone in the band.
They need to start referencing New Found Glory in their lyrics again. have you not heard Summer Daze?
Taylor Swift, animal crossing, avatar, animals being bros, rare puppers
Starbucks (I work there), wholesome, blackmagic, sims4, and pretty much the generic feel good ones
JimmyEatWorld, AmITheAsshole, lots of dog subs lol has anything been more obviously me?
hockey, thebachelor, relationships
greenday, emo, mychemicalromance
blink182, dbz, smashbros, nintendo
What other fan spaces do you use? (To interact with other fans, not to follow the band/members)
Twitter: 23 / 52%
Instagram: 24 / 55%
Facebook: 8 / 18%
Discord: 12 / 27%
Other: 5 / 11%
If you use other spaces, how does the sub compare?
Better: 25 / 58%
Worse: 1 / 2%
About the same: 12 / 28%
Hard to say: 2 / 5 %
For interactions with other fans it's the best place, but twitter is better for interaction with the band
I don't do other social media
The sub is the best ever!!!!
They both have their pros and cons and they’re very different sites so it’s kind of comparing apples to oranges
I think the sub is the most active I've seen the fanbase
What do you like about the sub?
Being able to connect with other people who love the band, since I don't know any other ATL fans in real life I feel this
Central to everything and better discussion
Constant user engagement
Cool people, no drama, met my friends Jenna and Alex!, golden people! Hey, that's me!
Everybody is so friendly
Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and talk openinly about them. The mods are active and participate in discussions, the survivors, and the off-topic posts.
Everyone is really nice and respectful (except in Survivors y’all suck lol) Sometimes people have opinions that are wrong lol
Everyone is very chill and it gives me a place to rant about both meaningless and meaningful things
everyone is very nice and it’s not a very hard place to just drop in for a bit. also you guys do surveys and stuff so that’s cool
Fans on here generally seem pretty respectful of each other and I’ve almost never seen any big fights between fans here
The survivors are really fun and a great way to have fans interact with each other and spark conversations!
Friendly and informative even to people like me who don't interact regularly
Friendly, civil discussions
Getting to know people!
How people are polite
I like how it’s a free space to share opinions and enjoy the band the way it is rather than having people criticize you for your opinion.
I like the song survivor and seeing obscure ATL songs
I like the surveys/survivor stuff
I like the survivors and things that get people involved
I love posting my artwork on this sub. I feel like here is where it really gets love and makes me feel soo happy
Interesting content, the survivor, and we're all awesome!
It’s about a band I like you really said it best
It’s friendlier than a lot of others, and there’s a lot less arguing and harsh words
It’s really friendly and welcoming of new people, there’s no *drama* and it’s a great source of news/updates on the boys.
Keeps me informed about the boys and the band. Plus the polls are fun and I love seeing everyone’s fan art!
Ranking songs and albums, general discussion about the band and news
Really friendly people
Rian reads it gleefully, while withholding his AMA
That you get a response
The community aspect, I feel life everyone knows each other
The frequency of the post and how everyone (especially the mods) keep everything In order and engaging for everyone who frequents the sub
The mods are the best
the niceness and supportiveness of everybody and the song survivor games
The people :D
The people & community are so great & kind
The people are great. Love the inside jokes.
The people are nice and respectful of others opinions, less intense than twitter as people are generally older or more chill. Also love the interactivity of the survivors and surveys! It's the best.
The regular members and talking to them
The sense of community here is amazing. I’ve been in other subs that can get toxic. People respect each other here and that’s difficult to cultivate!
The survivors. Y'all are all generally wrong tho.
Very nice people
Very non-toxic, which is great because some parts of reddit are very much the opposite
People are really nice! Plus everything is very organized
The slightly older demographic!
The mods are nice
Pretty cool people
The vibe of the place. It’s very welcoming and safe.
The quality of the fans here. we are a high quality people
How could we improve?
Definitely more interaction, but that comes with time
I took a while to understand what the Sub-basement noise was about. The info is in the post? Could it be more clearly explained?
Just building subscribers Hopefully Rian has time to make some more alt accounts soon
Maybe not so much posting in the “basement noise” folder bc at times it can just seem a little chaotic but that’s about all That's kind of what it's for, so all those little threads won't be their own posts
Mods are intimidating I get this in real life, too, honestly
Not having to use a computer to get the emojis for flairs you don't!
RIAN'S AMA out of my hands lol
Some recent posts seem lower quality but I think that is just with an increase of newer members.
We need more dudes we are a low %age of dudes but I bet we have more than other places because Reddit's general demographics is mostly men I think
We’re getting there but better monitoring of low qualify posts. The Basement Noise/daily off topic thread is amazing!
Don’t do too many countdowns! Do you mean Survivors?
I'm not involved enough to have a good answer for this.
What would you like to see on the sub for content/activity?
A continuation of the survivors, whether that be singles survivor or album survivor don't you worry, we've got lots of voting ahead of us
AMAs with the band/band members GOOD LORD WE ARE TRYING LOL
competitions maybe for art/covers/etc.? we've done a couple fan art contests and they were pretty well liked so we plan to do another in a few months.
Discussions on songs we tried this before and it didn't really take off. maybe we can try again
Everything is v great
Fan art and more discussions
I always thought it would fun to do daily or weekly trivia.I LOVE THIS IDEA! I don't know enough ATL trivia so let me take it to the mod team
I think we all would like to see the AMA from Rian but that's beyond our control. Rian has forgotten about it lol RIAN!! GET ON IT!
Interaction from the boys 👀 Maybe I just need to criticize Alex more, that's what got him here last time (lol I kid, I kid)
Lyric discussions We used to have these, they weren't really participated in, and we thought maybe ATL songs were too straight forward to really get into
Maybe having more fan contests (Art, song covers, etc.) and maybe (If possible) more interaction with the band themselves
Nothing specific. I just like honest, good discussion topics.
Polls, rankings, facilitated discussions
Rían ama :)
Rian AMA (or any member tbh) I feel like at this point one of the other members could offer an AMA and I'd be like NOPE WE ONLY WANT RIAN. lol
Rians AMA that he lied about hah
The song survivors are super fun to vote in, and I liked the fan art contest too. Cool to read other people's unpopular opinions, and see others' album rankings. Anything that asks for input/opinions from the community is fun to participate/observe. Sadly I don't have any new ideas for more activities. I just want to express my appreciation for these events!
Maybe polls on their music or anything related? Just for fun like weekly or something
Lyric interpretation threads
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2020.07.15 22:18 olivehummusWhat's Going on at Fort Hood?
**DISCLAIMER: This is my first long write-up here, so I apologize in advance for any errors! In addition, I am both non-American and non-military so please let me know if anything should be corrected! [x-post with RedditCrimeCommunity] About Fort Hood: Fort Hood is a military base that is located just outside of Killeen, TX, about halfway between Austin and Waco. Home to over 55 000 staff, Ft. Hood is one of the largest bases in the world. The base covers around 340 square miles and is home to III Corps and The First Cavalry Division, as well as many tenant units. Vanessa Guillen Case: Fort Hood has recently made international news due to the tragic case of a missing soldier, who was later found murdered. Spc. Vanessa Guillen, a 20-year-old soldier originally from Houston, went missing outside her barracks on April 22, 2020. Before her disappearance, Guillen had recently disclosed to her family, friends, and coworkers that she was being sexually harassed, potentially by a sergeant or supervisor. On June 30th, Guillen's remains were found on the Leon River about 20 miles east of Ft. Hood. The next day, a suspect was located - another soldier name Aaron Robinson. After fleeing the base, Robinson killed himself. A second suspect was arrested, Cecily Aguilar, who was Robinson's girlfriend and the estranged wife of another soldier on base.According to the Guillen family lawyer Natalie Khawam, Robinson bludgeoned Guillen with a hammer in the armory room on base. He put her body in a Pelican case and then returned with Aguilar several hours later to dispose of Guillen's remains.Vanessa's case has been highly publicized and her family is calling for a change to how the military handles sexual violence. Based on descriptions she disclosed of her harasser, it may not have been Robinson. Vanessa's case has also pushed several other unresolved Ft. Hood murders into the spotlight. The Murder Squad podcast recently did an episode on some of the most recent murders, and social media has amplified these cases. Other Unresolved Cases: Since March 2020, there have been six other potential homicides at Ft. Hood. The remains of a missing soldier have also been found. March 1: 20-year-old Spc. Shelby Tyler Jones is found with a gunshot wound outside a convenience store off-base at 3:45 AM. Base officials believe the shooting happened 40 minutes earlier at Club Dreams, a half-mile away, and that his body was dumped in the store afterward. March 5: 29-year-old Christopher Wayne Smith is found unresponsive at his Ft. Hood residence. Latest case updates indicate that foul play isn't suspected, but nothing has been ruled out. March 14: 23-year-old Specialist Freddy Delacruz Jr and 23-year old veteran Shaquan Allred are found shot at Summerlyn Apartments in Killeen. A third victim is a 22-year-old civilian named Asia Cline. Officers were initially dispatched to the apartment after reports of gunfire at around 1 am, but did not discover the crime scene until a report of a water leak was called in around 40 minutes later. All three victims had been shot multiple times. Delacruz was a decorated soldier who was described at an 'outstanding trooper' according to his battalion leader. Allred recently retired from the army after working as a combat engineer and previously studied at Duke University. There unfortunately is not much information online about civilian Asia Cline, an Ohio native, who worked as a bartender according to her Facebook profile. May 18th: 27-year-old PFC Brandon Rosecrans is found shot 13 miles off-post in the nearby city of Harker Heights. His vehicle, an orange 2016 Jeep Renegade, is found on fire nearby. Brandon's father alleges that Brandon was attacked at gunpoint a week before he was killed, possibly by the same suspect(s). June 19: The remains of 24-year-old PV2 Gregory Wedel-Morales are found in a shallow grave in a residential neighborhood in Kileen after an anonymous tip is called in. Morales was classified as AWOL on August 20 2019 after he failed to return to base. Morales was last seen driving his newly purchased 2018 Black Kia Rodeo off-post in Killeen on the evening of August 19. His last known contact was the following day when he called his mother, Kim Wedel, to ask for some gas money and she gently teased his about his ability to afford a new car but not having the money to gas it up. After Wedel-Morales did not show up to work that day, his sergeant went to his house to look with him, and his wife, Penny Morales, said she had not seen him since the night before. A couple of weeks later, Morales was classified as a deserter, and little effort was taken from the army to look for him. In December, a family member saw on CARFAX that someone in the Dallas area was trying to have his car inspected and alerted the Army's investigative division (CID). CID took the car into their possession a month later, promising Morales' family that they would run tests on it, yet it is unknown whether these tests were ever run. Wedel-Morales, an Oklahoma native, was a decorated soldier who entered the army in 2015 as a motor transport operator. He got married during his service and changed his last name from Wedel to Morales. During the month that he disappeared, he was in the process of separation. Wedel-Morales had plans to exit the army in September, and was making arrangements to work post-military. Wedel-Morales' family fought to have his status changed from deserter so they could have a proper military burial for him, and were successful as of this morning. An organization called Military Justice For All has been tracking Foot Hood cases, as they believe there is a disproportionately high death rate at this base. Since 2016, there have been 133 stateside deaths in Ft Hood. In addition to the 7 deaths officially categorized as unresolved homicides, there is suspicion around several of the cases of soldiers being found dead on- and off- post.
* 1 homicide on post (Vanessa Guillen)
* 13 homicides off post (7 unsolved)
* 20 deaths ruled suicide
* 33 found dead on post
* 15 found dead off post
*40 died in accidents (training, motorcycle, automobile, swimming/boating)
2020.07.15 20:56 olivehummusWhat's Going On at Fort Hood?
**DISCLAIMER: This is my first long write-up here, so I apologize in advance for any errors! In addition, I am both non-American and non-military so please let me know if anything should be corrected! About Fort Hood: Fort Hood is a military base that is located just outside of Killeen, TX, about halfway between Austin and Waco. Home to over 55 000 staff, Ft. Hood is one of the largest bases in the world. The base covers around 340 square miles and is home to III Corps and The First Cavalry Division, as well as many tenant units. Vanessa Guillen Case: Fort Hood has recently made international news due to the tragic case of a missing soldier, who was later found murdered. Spc. Vanessa Guillen, a 20-year-old soldier originally from Houston, went missing outside her barracks on April 22, 2020. Before her disappearance, Guillen had recently disclosed to her family, friends, and coworkers that she was being sexually harassed, potentially by a sergeant or supervisor. On June 30th, Guillen's remains were found on the Leon River about 20 miles east of Ft. Hood. The next day, a suspect was located - another soldier name Aaron Robinson. After fleeing the base, Robinson killed himself. A second suspect was arrested, Cecily Aguilar, who was Robinson's girlfriend and the estranged wife of another soldier on base. According to the Guillen family lawyer Natalie Khawam, Robinson bludgeoned Guillen with a hammer in the armory room on base. He put her body in a Pelican case and then returned with Aguilar several hours later to dispose of Guillen's remains. Vanessa's case has been highly publicized and her family is calling for a change to how the military handles sexual violence. Based on descriptions she disclosed of her harasser, it may not have been Robinson. Vanessa's case has also pushed several other unresolved Ft. Hood murders into the spotlight. The Murder Squad podcast recently did an episode on some of the most recent murders, and social media has amplified these cases. Other Unresolved Cases: Since March 2020, there have been six other potential homicides at Ft. Hood. The remains of a missing soldier have also been found. March 1: 20-year-old Spc. Shelby Tyler Jones is found with a gunshot wound outside a convenience store off-base at 3:45 AM. Base officials believe the shooting happened 40 minutes earlier at Club Dreams, a half-mile away, and that his body was dumped in the store afterward. March 5: 29-year-old Christopher Wayne Smith is found unresponsive at his Ft. Hood residence. Latest case updates indicate that foul play isn't suspected, but nothing has been ruled out. March 14: 23-year-old Specialist Freddy Delacruz Jr and 23-year old veteran Shaquan Allred are found shot at Summerlyn Apartments in Killeen. A third victim is a 22-year-old civilian named Asia Cline. Officers were initially dispatched to the apartment after reports of gunfire at around 1 am, but did not discover the crime scene until a report of a water leak was called in around 40 minutes later. All three victims had been shot multiple times. Delacruz was a decorated soldier who was described at an 'outstanding trooper' according to his battalion leader. Allred recently retired from the army after working as a combat engineer and previously studied at Duke University. There unfortunately is not much information online about civilian Asia Cline, an Ohio native, who worked as a bartender according to her Facebook profile. May 18th: 27-year-old PFC Brandon Rosecrans is found shot 13 miles off-post in the nearby city of Harker Heights. His vehicle, an orange 2016 Jeep Renegade, is found on fire nearby. Brandon's father alleges that Brandon was attacked at gunpoint a week before he was killed, possibly by the same suspect(s). June 19: The remains of 24-year-old PV2 Gregory Wedel-Morales are found in a shallow grave in a residential neighborhood in Kileen after an anonymous tip is called in. Morales was classified as AWOL on August 20 2019 after he failed to return to base. Morales was last seen driving his newly purchased 2018 Black Kia Rodeo off-post in Killeen on the evening of August 19. His last known contact was the following day when he called his mother, Kim Wedel, to ask for some gas money and she gently teased his about his ability to afford a new car but not having the money to gas it up. After Wedel-Morales did not show up to work that day, his sergeant went to his house to look with him, and his wife, Penny Morales, said she had not seen him since the night before. A couple of weeks later, Morales was classified as a deserter, and little effort was taken from the army to look for him. In December, a family member saw on CARFAX that someone in the Dallas area was trying to have his car inspected and alerted the Army's investigative division (CID). CID took the car into their possession a month later, promising Morales' family that they would run tests on it, yet it is unknown whether these tests were ever run. Wedel-Morales, an Oklahoma native, was a decorated soldier who entered the army in 2015 as a motor transport operator. He got married during his service and changed his last name from Wedel to Morales. During the month that he disappeared, he was in the process of separation. Wedel-Morales had plans to exit the army in September, and was making arrangements to work post-military. Wedel-Morales' family fought to have his status changed from deserter so they could have a proper military burial for him, and were successful as of this morning. An organization called Military Justice For All has been tracking Foot Hood cases, as they believe there is a disproportionately high death rate at this base. Since 2016, there have been 133 stateside deaths in Ft Hood. In addition to the 7 deaths officially categorized as unresolved homicides, there is suspicion around several of the cases of soldiers being found dead on- and off- post.
* 1 homicide on post (Vanessa Guillen)
* 13 homicides off post (7 unsolved)
* 20 deaths ruled suicide
* 33 found dead on post
* 15 found dead off post
*40 died in accidents (training, motorcycle, automobile, swimming/boating)
2020.07.15 18:58 familyoftinaJust learned my family was the victim of a "cultic" murder mystery from 1997
In 1997, when I was 9, my 2nd cousin who was 19 was murdered. Her murderer tried to throw off police by making it look like a cult murder by carving a strange symbol into her body. The police think they know who the suspect is but 24 years later and still no arrest. Her mother just died a few weeks ago never having closure. I'm trying to renew interest in the case.
I'll try to make this short. I feel bad as I've been meaning to post this since I found out, but life gets in the way. I live near Fort Smith, Arkansas. A few weeks ago my mom told me about a family member being admitted to hospice. I'm an only child and my mom is from a family of 5. So she's used to keeping track of everybody. She mentioned "Yea, they never figured out about who killed Sandra's daughter, Tina...it's sad." I was curious and that's when she showed me this newspaper clipping she had saved.
Tina Michele Payton, 19, was believed to be killed Monday around 9am November 3rd 1997 in her home in Geraldine/Crossville, Alabama.
Her body was discovered by her boyfriend, Chad Franks. Her body was on the floor when Chad returned home from work.
She had been shot twice, once in the head and once in the chest with a .38 or .357 caliber pistol. Though there was a defensive wound on her hand from where she probably grabbed the gun.
Symbols were cut into her lower abdomen with a sharp instrument. They were cleanly cut with no blood.
An empty condom wrapper was found beside her body but investigators claim she was no sexually assaulted.
The doors were reported locked. No sign of forceable entry.
Was reported that nothing was taken
Tina's dad is still alive though I'm not sure I've ever met him. But I've heard he's worked his whole life trying to solve this. I think the most frustrating thing is that this article was published 4 years after it happened and the DA even THEN said:
" It is safe to say that we have a suspect, but our evidence is insufficient to go forth with the prosecution, and I am not in a position to publicly identify the suspect.”
And 23 years later still nothing. I figured the least I could do was post it here and ask the reddit community for their insight. I don't expect miracles but I figure it's worth a shot.
Tina = Victim Chad = Boyfriend Sandra = Tina's mother Max = Tina's father Debbie = Max's 2nd s.o./gf Jeannie = Max's 3rd s.o./gf Me = 2nd cousin to Tina
Max buys the farmhouse and five acres where Tina is eventually found dead
Tina graduates high school in Sallisaw, Oklahoma
Tina moves to the Geraldine/Crosstown farmhouse from Sallisaw, Oklahoma to "start a new life" according to her dad. Gets a job with the local grocery store, Geraldine Super Value.
Chad Franks moves from Sallisaw, Oklahoma to live with Tina in Geraldine/Crosstown, Alabama.
November 3rd 1997
6:15am - Chad leaves for work
9:00am - Tina's estimated time of death according to pathologists
4:18pm - Chad returns home and Tina is found murdered
Unknown time - Chad is taken into custody and questioned several days. Unclear when he was released but due to alibi.
Investigators claim they have a prime suspect in Panama City, FL, and are getting close to breaking the case and are confident they will bring the case before a jury soon.
Max Payton moves to Alabama and sells the house in Crosstown/Geraldine
Unofficial list of suspects
Chad Franks (Boyfriend) Items of note
Lengthy on/off relationship
Moved in with Tina one month prior
First person to discover Tina
Debbie (Max's 2nd SO/GF) Items of note
Believed to be a suspect at the time
Did appear to be jealous of Tina/Max's relationship according to Sandra's sister
Since died in a car wreck
Present Day Communication
07/14/2020 After posting this, my mom talked with Sandra's sister.
"Now Max's wife Jeannie I feel in no way she was involved. I have met her and spent nights at their house when they lived in Florida. Now the ex of Max's was a woman named Debbie. Now she was a suspect at a time I believe. I did meet her and she was jealous of Tina's relationship with Max, I feel. But she has since died in a car wreck. I have always felt it was her that did it. But the sheriff's office kept saying no concrete evidence but Max even believed it was her."
07/15/2020 Another message from Sandra's sister to my mom.
"I can't remember if she [Debbie] had a alibi, I will look in my papers tomorrow, ( [redacted] is asleep, he works nights ) I can't get to them right now. As far as I know the autopsy report showed gunshot wounds"
Four years ago today, (Nov 3, 1997) the partly clothed body of Tina Michelle Payton, 19, was found on the living room floor of the farm house on DeKalb County 104 between Geraldine and Crossville that she shared with her fiance. Payton had been shot in the hand, in the chest and in the head with a .38- or .357-caliber pistol. On her lower abdomen, carved with a knife or other sharp instrument, was a pattern of lines that appeared to form a cryptic symbol. The gunshot through Payton’s hand was what investigators called a “defensive wound” because it appeared that she had grabbed the gun that killed her. The doors were locked and there were no signs of forced entry. Payton lay on her back, nude below the waist, with the symbol clearly visible to anyone who entered the room. The orderly appearance of Payton’s body and the symbol standing out against her skin led homicide detectives and the state pathologist to the same conclusion - that the woman’s killer had put her body on display and arranged the scene for maximum visual effect.
“The symbol was clean, not bloody,”
District Attorney Mike O’Dell said.
“It was clearly intended to be seen. Somebody meant to send a message.”
From that first day, investigators began a dual quest - to find Payton’s killer and to find the meaning of the symbol the killer had left as a signature. They sent pictures of the symbol to experts in satanic worship, gang culture and tribal rituals. Copies made it onto the Internet, and responses came in from many parts of the world. In spite of hundreds of leads, investigators still do not know what the symbol means, if anything. And in spite of a four-year investigation that has led to at least four states, nobody has yet been charged with the murder. The house where Payton was killed had been her home for only about three months. Her father, Max Payton, had bought the house and five acres in 1994 after he retired from the Air Force. Payton, Max Payton’s daughter from a previous marriage, moved there in August 1997 from Sallisaw, Okla., where her mother lives and where she graduated from high school in 1996. Her father said she had come “to start a new life.” She took a job as a cashier at Geraldine Super Value. Payton continued to live in the house after her father took a job at Tyndall Air Force Base in Panama City, Fla. Less than a month before the slaying, Chad Franks, 22, moved from Sallisaw to live with Payton. The two had had a lengthy on-off relationship, friends in Sallisaw said. “Tina and Chad planned to get married,” Max Payton said.
“I was going to give them the farm, but I never got a chance to tell her.”
It was Franks who found Payton’s body, when he returned from his second day on the job at a mobile home factory in Boaz. He said he had left at 6:15 a.m. and returned at 4:18 p.m. Pathologists estimated that Payton died at 9 a.m. Sallisaw is in the heart of Indian country, and Franks is a Cherokee Indian. Those facts first led investigators to think that the symbol could have some ritual significance in Indian culture, and that Payton’s death may have resulted from trouble that had followed her and Franks from Oklahoma. Franks was taken into police custody the same day that he reported Payton’s death and was questioned for several days. He was released without charges and attended services for Payton in Oklahoma, where she was returned for burial. Investigators say Franks later joined his parents in the Midwest. Four years after Payton’s slaying, both her father and DeKalb County prosecutors have a single strong suspect in mind, but said they do not have enough evidence to put anybody in jail. Yet. Since the slaying, investigators have narrowed their search and discounted some earlier theories. They no longer believe the case is tied to Oklahoma or to the occult. And although an empty condom wrapper was found beside Payton’s body, O’Dell said she had not been sexually assaulted. “We have come to the conclusion that this was not a gang or cult symbol, but that it had specific meaning to the perpetrator,” O’Dell said.
“This was not a random act, but an attack directed specifically at Tina Payton, probably by someone she knew.”
O’Dell said the case has remained active and that he and Sheriff Cecil Reed discuss the case with their investigators often.
“This case has gnawed at us since it happened,”
“It is safe to say that we have a suspect, but our evidence is insufficient to go forth with prosecution, and I am not in a position to publicly identify the suspect.”
Max Payton is also frustrated that his daughter’s killer has not been caught.
“Every time I see those crime shows on television where modern forensics solve cases with almost no evidence to go on, I get angry all over again,”
“I think more should have been done in all this time.It’s been four years.”
O’Dell said he shares those frustrations. He said Payton has been very helpful in the investigation, traveling from Florida several times to meet with detectives on the case.
“We have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but I don’t want this case to turn out like O.J. Simpson’s,”
“I am not going to charge and risk that the guilty person will get away. I want a conviction.”
O’Dell said his office has prosecuted about 30 homicides in DeKalb and Cherokee counties since Payton’s slaying, keeping investigators busy.
“We have been overwhelmed just with new cases, but that is about to change,”
“We now have time to sit down and re-evaluate the Payton case, to see if there is anything there we’ve been missing.”
O’Dell said he thinks investigators are getting close to breaking the case, by uncovering new information and by finding witnesses who know something about the case that they have not reported.
“I am confident that we will have enough to bring this case before a jury soon,”
O’Dell said. Meanwhile, Max Payton is planning to come home to Alabama. He has sold the Sand Mountain house where Tina was killed to a neighboring poultry farmer and bought a house and acreage on Lookout Mountain in Cherokee County. He and his wife, Jeannie, plan to move here from Florida by spring.
“I want to move back close to home and I want to get some new interest in Tina’s case,”
“She meant more to me than anything in the world, and I want the person who took her from me to be brought to justice.”
Gov. Don Siegelman has offered a $5,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of Tina Payton’s killer. Anyone having information is asked to call the case agent, investigator Clay Simpson, at the DeKalb County Sheriff’s Department, (256) 845-8562.
SALLISAW -- Sandy Williams visits her daughter's gravesite regularly. She wants to put a fence around the marker and maybe get a tombstone up there soon, but the weather has made it impossible to do much. ``It's been tough with all the rain,'' she said. This week marks the first anniversary since her daughter, Tina Payton, was found shot to death at her home in Crossville, Ala. The 19-year-old Payton had recently moved to Alabama from Sallisaw, where she grew up. The slaying attracted international attention because of a strange symbol that had been carved into Payton's abdomen. Investigators in Alabama have yet to determine what the symbol means. For Williams and Max Payton, Tina's father, that is the least of the mysteries related to their daughter's killing. Their biggest questions have remained the same since Nov. 3, 1997 -- who killed her, and why haven't law officers moved more quickly to make an arrest? DeKalb County, Ala., sheriff's investigators say they have made the case a priority in their office, yet Sheriff Cecil Reed acknowledged that they don't have much to show for it. They have no murder weapon, no idea what the symbol means and not much hope so far of making any arrest stick. It's this perceived lack of movement that has frustrated Williams and Max Payton. They said investigators in Crossville kept talking for months about how close they were to nailing down the case. Now, Tina's parents said,they can hardly get the Sheriff's Office to call them back. ``To me, they're dragging their feet,'' said Williams, who lives in Sallisaw. ``They were saying they were 99.9 percent sure they knew who did it, and yet they haven't made an arrest. I want to know why.'' Max Payton said he has the same question. However, he also wants the sheriff's investigators to move carefully so they won't jeopardize the case. ``They have a prime suspect,'' said Payton, who lives in Panama City, Fla. ``I've been told that by (investigator) Clayburn Simpson and by the sheriff.'' Simpson said in May that the probe had focused on a single suspect but that an arrest would have to wait until after forensics test results returned sometime during the summer. ``I hope very shortly that I can tell you we've made an arrest and who it is,'' he said then. Six months later, the forensics results are back, but investigators have no more evidence than they did before. Reed said his office has not turned up any weapons or any additional tips that would lead to a break in the case. ``We don't have any hard-core evidence,'' he said. Deputies arrested Payton's boyfriend, Chad Frank, early in the investigation. Frank was released after several days because investigators said he had an alibi. Reed said solving Payton's murder is his office's highest priority. Even so, the sheriff said he understands her parents' frustration. ``I would be, too,'' he said. ``I'm frustrated with not having a shred of evidence.'' Reed pointed to another recent murder investigation in his county as reason for optimism in Payton's case. His officers made an arrest this summer in connection with a 1995 double slaying. ``So we never give up,'' he said. ``As long as I'm sheriff, this case will not put on a back burner.'' Payton's parents, meanwhile, want to keep her memory front and center. They both recalled a daughter who loved life and was excited by her prospects in Alabama. ``She had gotten a job there in Crossville at a little grocery store, and she really enjoyed her job,'' Max Payton said. ``Tina was an outgoing-type person who loved being with people.'' As the anniversary of her death rolled around, Tina's parents, who are divorced, dealt with her memory in their own ways. Williams tended to her daughter's gravesite, while Max Payton tried to think more about his daughter's living milestones, like her birthday. ``It's not something to celebrate,'' he said of the date of her death. But it's something he certainly will not forget. Investigators may have reached a standstill in finding Tina's killer, he said, but anyone who knows anything about the crime has a responsibility to make a stand. ``There's a murderer on the loose,'' he said.
My opinion on the symbols
I put this last because it's just my opinion, it doesn't matter much. My personal opinion is that the person who killed her didn't even know why they carved those symbols into her body. Maybe as an afterthought? Maybe they were trying to make their murder more "sophisticated" than they originally intended? The investigators said it was clearly "on display". But why? If it has no real discernable meaning? "Art" maybe? Maybe to frame the native American side of the family? In the research I've done about this case since learning about it, I think the killer succeeded in what they meant to do with it: to throw people off and send them down a rabbit hole. Just my first gut feeling of speculation.
Scan of newspaper clipping and isolated image of symbols cut into her body: https://imgur.com/a/YopEAWZ (left-hand side kinda got clipped, sorry, I can re-upload if needed. Only confusing wording is that it says 'harp instrument' when it should say 'sharp')
September: Cathy goes to visit Koob at Manresa, the Annapolis retreat where he lived and worked. By this time, Cathy had learned that The Order had declined her request to live outside the convent and teach at a public school. The Order had told her that she had to go back into the convent, or stop being a nun. She had to give an answer by December 31. Koob said his sister in Boston gave Cathy expensive clothing, including a bright red suit. Cathy styled her hair fashionably and wore the suit to see him at Manresa. “She was beautiful,” Koob recalled, and his fellow Jesuits just stared at her. “I remember thinking, ‘Do you know what you’ve done?’ And I said that to her later.”
Russell begins teaching at Rock Glen Middle School (across the street from The Carriage House Apartments)
Maskell victims: Jean, Deb Silcox and Lil Hughes start their Junior years at Keough. Charles starts his Junior year at Mt. St. Joseph. Maskell victim Teresa Lancaster starts her sophomore (10th grade) year at Keough.
Wehner said that despite Cesnik’s promise to intervene with Maskell on her behalf, the priest continued to abuse her after she returned from summer break, even more violently than before.
Cesnik lived in a modest apartment in Southwest Baltimore with another nun, and her students would occasionally drop by in the evenings or on weekends to chat, sing and play music. “She was the reason I became a teacher,” Hoskins said. “I’ve never met anyone like her.”
Cesnik maintained close ties to her former students, who visited her apartment regularly. Maskell remained a frequent topic of conversation for some of them.
Maskell begins third year as school chaplain and counselor at Archbishop Keough.
"My parents fought a lot and embarrassed me," says one alum from the class of 1972, who mentioned this to Maskell during a smoking session. "He homed in on that. And he said, 'Come sit on my lap.' I sat on his lap, and he rocked me back and forth until I started getting weird feelings. As he was rocking me, he said, 'Your father isn't affectionate enough with you.' I was upset because he was saying stuff about my father, and it made me cry," she says, adding that her mother called the school to complain about the incident only to have her call transferred directly to Maskell. "She told him to just leave me alone."
Deborah Wisner, of Keough's class of '74, also went to see Maskell to smoke and discuss family problems. She says he showed her a series of ink blots, diagnosed her as "sexually frustrated," and recommended further counseling. She avoided his office from then on by walking up an extra flight of stairs.
Former Keough student Karen (not her real name) says Maskell called her into his office one morning and told her that someone had seen her with her boyfriend naked in a parked car. "I told him that it couldn't have been true," she recalls. "No matter what I said to him, he said, 'I understand, dear. Now let's talk about it.'" According to Karen, Maskell had specific questions about her boyfriend's anatomy. For six hours, she says, he interrogated her. "He told me my problem was that I was frigid," she claims. "He took his big pocket watch out. He said he could hypnotize me and help me."
Other Keough alums also recall that Maskell presented himself as a sexual healer. Several women said that Maskell claimed to be an actual gynecologist. ("He's always been a frustrated doctor," says his half-brother Tom).
One of these women adds that Maskell was so taken with himself that, as part of her counseling, he put his face within a few inches of hers and asked her to look into his eyes and tell him how beautiful they were and how good looking he was.
Ann (not her real name), says Maskell invited her on a boat ride with some other girls. As they drove along the Beltway, she asked him where the other kids were and was told they couldn't make it. They arrived at the boat, docked in the Dundalk area, and after helping her aboard, Maskell suggested that they just sit around and talk. At some point, she says, he told her about a church renovation project that unearthed, behind an old radiator, dozens of desiccated condoms.
"I really don't think you should be talking to me about these kinds of things," she told him. He changed the subject, but after he lapsed into a description of sights he'd seen on lovers' lane, Ann says she asked to be taken home. She stayed away from Maskell, but about a year later, she discovered to her chagrin that Maskell was sitting opposite her in a confessional. She claims he quizzed her about her sex life, which, at 14, was nonexistent, and as she tried to answer his questions, she squeezed her eyes tight in the vain hope that he wouldn't see her. That was her last confession for 20 years.
Stacy (not her real name) knew Maskell from both St. Clement and Keough, where she was a member of the class of '72. She claims that one day during ninth grade, Maskell summoned her to his office to mention that her reading aptitude was below par. He sat on his desk, perched above her. "He said that I wouldn't have gotten into Keough unless he'd pulled strings. I was kind of frightened. I said, 'Gee, I thought I got in on my own merit.' And he said, 'No, you have a reading disability, and you would never have gotten in if it weren't for me.' And then he asked me if there was anything that I could do for him. I said, 'No, not that I can think of.' I didn't know what he was getting at," says Stacy.
October, 1969: Edgar and Margaret's twins are born but the girl has to say in the hospital as she's premature and under-weight.
Monday, November 3, 1969
Cathy types a letter to Gerry Koob: My very dearest Gerry: 'If Ever I Should Leave You' is playing on the radio. My period has finally arrives, ten days late, so you might say I'm moody. My heart aches so for you. I must wait on you, your time, and your need, because your life is so erratic. I think I can begin to live with that more easily now than I did two months ago, just loving you within myself. I must tell you, I want you within me. I want to have your children. I love you.
Tuesday, November 4, 1969
Three days before Cesnik disappeared, Koob called her from a Catholic retreat to tell her he still loved her. He was prepared to leave the priesthood for her and hoped she’d leave the nunhood for him. “I said, ‘If you decide to leave, we’ll leave and get married,” Koob told The Huffington Post in an interview.
Wednesday, November 5, 1969
Two days before Cesnik disappeared, Hobeck and a classmate visited Cesnik at home, and Cathy asked whether Maskell was still bothering them. “We told her no, and that was the end of it,” Hobeck said.
Thursday, November 6, 1969
And another former Keough student, who spoke to The Huffington Post on the condition of anonymity, visited Cesnik at her apartment the night before she disappeared to discuss the abuse going on at the school. In the middle of their conversation, this woman said, Maskell and Magnus barged into Cesnik’s apartment without knocking. “Maskell glared at me,” she said. “He knew why I was there.” The woman said she left Cesnik’s apartment at that point.
The anonymous woman says her boyfriend was there, and Cathy's roommate Helen Russell Phillips was there. [Why hasn't the boyfriend been asked about this?]
Friday, November 7, 1969
According to Abbie: Cathy drove someone to Western High School on the morning of November 7. That person saw several pieces of mail on the dash of Cathy's car. This suggests that the letter to Cathy's sister was mailed after last pick up time on November 7 and picked up on usual postal rounds November 8. Police investigated where the letter might have been mailed from but there was no conclusive outcome.
The following day at school, Maskell called [Anonymous] into his office. With a gun in his hand, he warned her that if she ever told anyone about the abuse, he would kill her, her boyfriend and her entire family. “That I remember as though it happened yesterday,” she said, “because I have been protecting my family ever since.” Cesnik vanished that night.
11:30AM: Western High School student Juliana Farrell says that Cathy was her 11th grade English teacher in 1969. Juliana says Cathy was excited to get an engagement gift or her sister (that night) and that was the last time she ever saw her.
2:30/2:40PM: Western High School is out for the day. (Gerry Koob says he didn't have a retreat that day.)
Margaret and Ed's daughter is ready to be picked up from the hospital the next day. Six months earlier Ed had choked Margaret.
7:30PM: According to Cathy's roommate, Helen Russell Phillips, Cathy left the Carriage House Apartments. Cesnik said she was going to swing by the bank and then shop for an engagement gift for her sister. “She never came back,” said Russell.
[Per Missy Muhly:There was a Muhly's Bakery in the center of the Hecht Company Store on the first floor right as you walked in. It stayed open until either 9 or 10 at night, depending how late The Hecht Company Store stayed open. It was in that location from around 1965 to 1980. There was also a Muhly's Bakery located in the Edmonson Village Shopping Center from around 1969 to 1971. That location would have closed around 6 or 7 PM.]
Russell said that the two “always communicated” and that Russell was sure Cathy would have called if she had planned to go somewhere else. Also, she said, “convent habits die hard; we didn’t stay out after 10 o’clock.”
8PM Approximate: The movie "Easy Rider" would have been over. If Koob and Pete didn't have dinner before, they had dinner after, then start the drive back to Manresa. Peter told investigators he was back home in Beltsville when he got the call about Cathy's disappearance. Koob says that he and Pete were in Annapolis, at Manresa, when Russell called about Cathy's failure to arrive home.
8:30PM: A flight attendant who lived at the Carriage House remembers seeing Cathy in her car in the parking lot as if she was waiting for something. According to Abbie: A neighbor reported car was back at that apartment parking lot at 8:30pm but the neighbor did not see if Sister Cathy was in the car.
8:30PM: A Carriage House resident told police that Cathy's car was pulled into its regular parking space about 8:30PM, but couldn't say who was driving or how many people were in the car.
Another witness told police that a similar car pulled up near Cathy's Maverick and that she followed it. “She knew who pulled in behind her,” a former investigator said. “She either met them at the bank or the shopping center.” But the report of the second car was not substantiated.
Detective Childs says that there is a police report indicating that someone saw Cathy's vehicle "leaving the scene" with Cathy trying to exit the vehicle from the passenger side. The witness apparently said that Cathy never got out of the vehicle.
9PM-10PM: According to Abbie: A man was walking on Mardrew Road toward North Bend in the area where Cathy’s car was found. He reported that he passed a white man (age 20-25 years old, about 6’1”, 150-170 pounds, slender build, dark hair, dark clothing.) The mans left arm was hanging as if it was limp and he made a stomping noise when he walked.
9:30PM: Ed walks into his house and his wife Margaret notices that his shirt is bloody. Ed says he got into a fight at work.
10PM: According to Abbie: Others reported seeing car parked oddly on curb across the street starting around 10:00pm.
10PM: According to Abbie: A woman said she saw a young white male (wearing a light jacket) park a dark colored car in the 5500 block of Carriage Court about 10PM. The young man walked south toward Frederick Avenue (down the hill away from the car he just parked.) The woman thought this unusual because there was ample room to park further down the street.
10:30PM: According to Koob, he and and Pete are back at Manresa in Annapolis, drinking Tia Maria, and talking about the "Easy Rider" from 10:30PM - Midnight, when Russell called to say Cathy was missing. But Pete told the Baltimore Sun that he drove to Cathy's from Beltsville, MD where he lived at the Christian Brothers Monastery.
10:30PM: Other people told police they noticed the car left near the apartment about 10:30PM. [Police received several calls about the “oddly parked vehicle.”]
11PM: Per the Baltimore Sun, when Cathy didn’t return by 11, Russell grew worried and placed a frantic call to Gerry Koob at Manresa. Koob and McKeon had just returned from dinner and a movie in downtown Baltimore. The two men rushed back to the city from Manresa. It would have taken about 40 minutes to get to the Carriage House
11PM: According to Abbie: *Other people saw [the car] around 11:00pm and 11:20pm.
Saturday, Nov. 8, 1969
Koob's account places Russell's call to Koob after midnight: Concerned about Cathy, early in the morning Russell called McKeon and Koob, who drove to Baltimore from Beltsville to comfort her. After hearing Russell’s story, the three called city police to report Sister Cesnik missing.
1AM: In The Keepers, Gerry said that he and Pete got to the Carriage House quickly, listened to Russell for about an hour, then called the police at 1AM. A police officer showed up and wrote everything down and left. After the officer left, Gerry said mass. At 3:30 AM, Gerry and Pete went to take a walk and discovered Cathy’s car parked in the middle of Lantern Court, practically blocking traffic, with the door ajar, keys in the ignition. (Other reports say 4:40AM)
1:30 AM: Missing Persons Report notes that Russell called the police to report Cathy missing at approximately 1:30AM.
The tires were muddy and brake pedal was muddy. But the gas pedal wasn't muddy. This suggested to investigators that the person who drove the car back to the carriage house was driving with both feet and had mud on his left shoe, but not his right.
8AM: According to Abbie: Other people saw [the car] at 8am on Nov 8.
Sunday, November 9, 1969
Thirty-five city police officers and 5 dog teams scoured a 14-block area of southwest Baltimore from dawn until dusk. Police knocked on doors, searched alleys and deserted buildings, and sent men and dogs through rain-soaked park areas from Athol Avenue to the Baltimore County line. They were aided by many civilian searchers. Police theorized that Cathy may have left the car and gone into a wooded area. The car was found a mile from sprawling, wooded Leakin Park. Police, aided by K-9 corps dogs and civilians, searched the Leakin Park and Irvington areas of the city without a trace.
According to Abbie: K-9 and police searches were done of fields and areas with no helpful findings.
The car was processed by the crime lab. In the vehicle, police found a box of buns purchased at Muhly’s Bakery, which was located in the Hecht company store in Edmondson Village, along with leaves and twigs. Branches had been caught in the car’s radio antenna. A twig hooked with long piece of grass found on the turn-signal lever. According to Abbie: The Ford Maverick was towed to police for processing, report is very short, just says “Car processed for latent prints with negative results and if pictures are needed two days advance notice is required.”
County police say that no unaccountable fingerprints turned up in the car. Except for the umbrella and a twig hooked with a long piece of grass on the turn signal lever, nothing significant was found.
Police still don’t know how and where Cahty was abducted or how her car, its wheels muddy, was returned to her neighborhood.
Baltimore Sun: City Police Search For Missing Nun, 26. Cathy was described as 5 feet, 5 inches tall, 115 pounds with green eyes, blonde hair and fair complexion. She was wearing an aqua coat, navy blue suit, yellow sweater and black shoes. Baltimore Sun front page. Baltimore Sun's Map incorrectly identifies the location of Cathy's abandoned car.
Ed and Margaret pick up their daughter from the hospital.
Ed and Margaret watch the evening news about Cathy's disappearance. Ed laughs and says that Cathy will be covered in snow by the time they find her. Ed is smirking and laughing. Shortly afterwards, Ed bought new tires they could not afford and didn't need.
Monday, November 10, 1969
Police continued to check tips and leads but don’t resume large-scale searches. Captain John C. Barnhold Jr., head of the city’s homicide squad, said there was “no evidence of foul play” in Sister Cesnik’s disappearance. “We could find no evidence of violence of any kind,” Barnhold said.
The man assigned to investigate Cesnik’s disappearance was Nick Giangrasso, a 28-year-old homicide detective who had worked in the Baltimore City Police Department for five years. Giangrasso led the investigation for the three months Cesnik was missing, then had to turn the case over to Baltimore County detectives when her body was found outside the city limits. But Giangrasso, now 72, spent enough time on the case to feel like something suspicious was going on between the police department and the church. “The Catholic Church had a lot of input into the police department,” he said. “A lot of power." He said it was clear to him from the fact that her car had been deposited back at her apartment complex without any signs of struggle that she had not been the victim of a random robbery or assault. “It looked too clean,” he said. “It had to be somebody who knew her.”
The first person of interest in Giangrasso’s investigation was Gerard Koob, a Jesuit priest. Koob was one of the priests Cesnik’s roommate had called when she realized Cathy had not returned from her shopping trip, and he had been the one to call police to report Cesnik missing.
The police brought Koob in for questioning, but he had an alibi for the night that Cesnik disappeared. He and a fellow priest had gone to dinner in downtown Baltimore and watched “Easy Rider” at a movie theater afterward. He produced receipts and ticket stubs and passed two lie detector tests. According to Abbie: "Father Koob and Brother McKeon were given lie detectors tests, both of which showed no deception/were negative."
Giangrasso had a gut feeling that Cesnik had been murdered by someone with ties to the church. “I personally thought it was in-house, within her social network — the priests and the religious order,” he said. Giangrasso interviewed half a dozen priests who knew Cesnik as his investigation continued, and there was one in particular whose name kept coming up: Father Maskell, who worked with Cesnik at Keough. Giangrasso said he tried to interview Maskell a number of times about Cesnik’s disappearance, but the priest always managed to elude him. “He was always busy and never available,” Giangrasso said. “It got to the point that Maskell was the number one guy we wanted to talk to, but we never got a chance.”
In Baltimore in 1969, Giangrasso said, it was very difficult, if not impossible, to investigate a Catholic priest for any crime. Maskell in particular was a difficult target. At the time, he served as the chaplain for the Baltimore County police, the Maryland State Police and the Maryland National Guard. Maskell kept a police scanner and loaded handgun in his car, drank beer with the officers at a local dive bar, and often went on “ride-alongs” with his police friends at night to respond to petty crimes or catch teenagers making out in their cars.
Bob Fisher, the owner of an automotive repair shop in southwest Baltimore where Maskell took his car on his days off, remembers the priest boasting about his police privileges to anyone who would listen. “He’d say, ‘I’d hear something on the scanner, and we’d jump in the car and take off, and we’d catch these people!’” said Fisher, 74. “Really wild stories.”
Maskell’s older brother, Tommy, was a hero cop who had been shot and injured while trying to stop a robbery. Going after Maskell would mean violating the unwritten rules by which the police operated. “We’re a police family,” Giangrasso said. “The policeman’s involved, his family’s involved, we try to help the guy out. When we found out Maskell’s brother was a lieutenant, we knew we had a problem.”
Giangrasso remembers feeling pressure from his superiors to leave Maskell and other members of the clergy alone. “I felt like the church was coming in and interfering, and the chain of command was coming down and checking on us — ‘How much longer are you gonna be playing with this case?’— as if to say, you gotta back off and move on,” he said. The Baltimore City police did not respond to a request for comment.
Tuesday, November 11 , 1969
City homicide detectives said they had no reason to believe that Cathy was kidnapped.
Joyce Helen Malecki, 20, went missing the evening of Nov. 11. She had left her home in Baltimore to go shopping in Glen Burnie and for a date with a friend stationed at Fort Meade Army base. Police begin searching for Malecki.
Approximate/According to Abbie: Police interviewed workers at Edmondson Village. They did not find an employee who recalled selling anything to Sister Cathy. But not all Hechts’ employees were interviewed. We know she was at the shopping center.
Wednesday, November 12, 1969
Approximate (From the Huffington Post):
On a frigid day in November 1969, Father Joseph Maskell, the chaplain of Archbishop Keough High School in Baltimore, called a student into his office and suggested they go for a drive. When the final bell rang at 2:40 p.m., Jean Hargadon Wehner, a 16-year-old junior at the all-girls Catholic school, followed the priest to the parking lot and climbed into the passenger seat of his light blue Buick Roadmaster.
It was not unusual for Maskell to give students rides home or take them to doctor’s appointments during the school day. The burly, charismatic priest, then 30 years old, had been the chief spiritual and psychological counselor at Keough for two years and was well-known in the community. Annual tuition at Keough was just $200, which attracted working-class families in deeply Catholic southwest Baltimore who couldn’t afford to send their daughters to fancier private schools. Many Keough parents had attended Maskell’s Sunday masses. He’d baptized their babies, and they trusted him implicitly.
This time, though, Maskell didn’t bring Wehner home. He navigated his car past the Catholic hospital and industrial buildings that surrounded Keough’s campus and drove toward the outskirts of the city. Eventually, he stopped at a garbage dump, far from any homes or businesses. Maskell stepped out of the car, and the blonde, freckled teenager followed him across a vast expanse of dirt toward a dark green dumpster.
It was then that she saw the body crumpled on the ground. The week prior, Sister Cathy Cesnik, a popular young nun who taught English and drama at Keough, had vanished while on a Friday-night shopping trip. Students, parents and the local media buzzed about the 26-year-old’s disappearance. People from all over Baltimore County helped the police comb local parks and wooded areas for any sign of her.
Wehner immediately recognized the lifeless body as her teacher. “I knew it was her,” she recalled recently. “She wasn’t that far gone that you couldn’t tell it was her.” Cesnik was still clad in her aqua-colored coat, and maggots were crawling on her face. Wehner tried to brush them off with her bare hands. “Help me get these off of her!” she cried, turning to Maskell in a panic. Instead, she says, the priest leaned down behind her and whispered in her ear: “You see what happens when you say bad things about people?” Maskell, Wehner understood, was threatening her. She decided not to tell anyone. “He terrified me to the point that I would never open my mouth,” she recalled.
Although the presence of maggots would appear to be unlikely in the usually cold month of November, the autopsy disclosed maggots in Cathy's throat, a detail never made public.
Jean said she was taken to Maskell's office, where a man she has not identified said he had beaten Cathy to death because Cathy knew about the sexual abuse, and was going to go to the police. Jean said she was threatened with the same fate if she did not swear eternal silence, and refers to this man as "Brother Bob." Jean said Maskell asked Brother Bob, "Did you take care of it? Is she going to be quiet?" And Brother Bob said, "Yes. She's not going to tell anyone anything." To this day, Jean is terrified by Brother Bob.
Malecki’s abandoned, unlocked car was found parked in a lot of a vacant gas station in an area of Odenton called Boom Town. Her car, with the keys still in the ignition, was found by her brother. Her glasses and groceries she had purchased in Glen Burnie were found in the car.
Thursday, November 13, 1969
Malecki’s body was found floating in the Little Patuxent River by two deer hunters on the western edge of Soldiers Park, a Fort Meade training area. The FBI and military police immediately closed the site. City police continued to check leads in the disappearance of Sister Cesnik.
Friday, November 14, 1969
An autopsy of Malecki’s body revealed that the victim was stabbed and choked and her hands were bound behind her with a cord. She had a number of scratches and bruises indicating a struggle. The cause of her death was either choking or drowning -- further test were needed to determine the cause. Malecki was described as 5 feet, 7 inches tall and 112 pounds. She had brown hair and brown eyes. Baltimore homicide detectives reported that Sister Cesnik was still considered a missing person with no new leads.
Approximate: Cathy's sister Marilyn is back in school and a letter from Cathy appears in her mailbox. Marilyn's father instructs her not to open it and to call the police. Marilyn gave the letter to the office and it hasn't been seen since.
According to Abbie: By November 14, 1969 Sister Cathy’s father had the envelope from the letter Cathy sent to her sister, postmarked November 8.
Saturday, November 16, 1969
Police investigated whether a pair of black high-heeled shoes found near Malecki’s watery grave belonged to Sister Cesnik, who was said to be wearing black shoes at time of her disappearance. “We have no indication that they are Sister Cesnik’s shoes, but we will check it out,” Capt. Barnold said at the time.
Sunday, November 16, 1969
Cathy's 27th birthday
December 25, 1969
Edgar gives Margaret a necklace for Christmas. The pendant is a wedding bell with Cathy's sister's finance's birth stone. Speculation is that Edgar got this necklace from Cathy when he killed her, and that Cathy had purchased it at Hecht's when she was there (buns.) A jeweler on the The Keepers said it looked custom made. But there are photos on the internet from people claiming they have the same necklace, purchased around the same time, but in Oklahoma. Gemma has said that individuals have sent them other pictures of this necklace. One woman said she had the same necklace but with a different birthstone and that her brother had purchased it at a different Hecht's and given it to her for Christmas. Meaning of Peridot
On a gray Saturday morning, two hunters crossing a snow-crusted field in Lansdowne stumbled on the partly clothed body of a young woman sprawled halfway down an embankment. The only evidence of life was fresh animal tracks.
With Baltimore’s daily newspapers on strike, the discovery of Cathy's frozen, mutilated body made barely a ripple compared with the furor over her mysterious disappearance eight weeks earlier.
Cathy's partly clad body was found by two hunters, a father and son, in a remote area in Lansdowne in Baltimore County. The body, partially hidden by an embankment and snow covered, was discovered about 100 yards from the 2100 block of Monumental Avenue. Police said it was probable that Cathy had been carried to the area or forced to walk there. (A car could not have been driven from Monumental Avenue to where the body was found.). An autopsy revealed a skull fracture caused by a blow to Cathy's left temple by a blunt instrument. Baltimore County Police take over the homicide investigation, which remains open to this day.
After the body was found, Dr. Werner U. Spitz, then deputy chief medical examiner for Maryland, said Sister Catherine had died from a 2-inch circular fracture of the left temple that was inflicted by a heavy with a blunt object, probably a brick. Marks on her neck indicated that she also had been choked.
Cesnik had choke marks on her neck and a round hole about the size of a quarter in the back of her skull. An autopsy confirmed she had been killed by a blow from a blunt object, probably a brick or a ball-peen hammer. But no one came forward with information about the murder, and the police never solved it.
In his report, the pathologist was unable to say with certainty whether she had been raped, because the lower body had been mutilated by animals. But he noted that “the disarray of the clothing suggests a sexual background to this killing.”
Dr. Spitz thinks Sister Catherine was killed somewhere else the night she disappeared and then dumped in the Lansdowne field.
The $255.00 ($1,800.00 in 2017 currency) was never found, although her purse -- containing personal articles -- lay near her body, along with several articles of clothing. Her rings and watch had not been removed, which prompted detectives who handled the original case to doubt the robbery motive.
That Cesnik’s body was found outside of his jurisdiction, in Baltimore County, where Maskell was chaplain, was no coincidence, Giangrasso thought. Nevertheless, he had to turn the case over to Baltimore County police. The county police never charged anyone.
2020.06.23 13:57 rusticgorilla[Lost in the Sauce] KY cuts thousands of polling locations ahead of primary
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On Friday, the Justice Department released a slightly-less-redacted version of the Mueller report. Donald Trump was told in advance that Wikileaks would be releasing documents embarrassing to the Clinton campaign and subsequently informed advisors that he expected more releases would be coming… In July 2016, Roger Stone told Trump as well as several campaign advisors that he had spoken with Julian Assange and that WikiLeaks would be publishing the documents in a matter of days. The newly unredacted portions of the Mueller report also show that after the initial email dump by WikiLeaks, Trump personally asked Manafort to keep in touch with Stone, who in turn told the then-campaign chairman to keep him “apprised of any developments with WikiLeaks.” Investigators were also told by Gates that Trump had multiple phone conversations with Stone during the campaign and that, following one call held en route to LaGuardia airport, “Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming.” Mueller examined whether President Donald Trump lied to him in written answers during the Russia investigation… In written testimony to Mueller’s team in November 2018, Trump denied being aware of any communications between Stone, Manafort, Gates, or Donald Trump Jr and WikiLeaks or Assange. Yet, the newly public portions show that Trump did know about a Stone-Wikileaks connection.
Considering the contradictory evidence, the special counsel’s office weighed the possibility that Trump “no longer had clear recollections” of what happened two years earlier, but also wondered whether “the President's conduct could also be viewed as reflecting his awareness that Stone could provide evidence that would run counter to the President's denials and would link the President to Stone's efforts to reach out to WikiLeaks."
More from Bolton
I wrote about the main takeaways from Bolton’s book last week. Since then, we’ve learned a few more details, which I’ll briefly list below. Bolton sat for an ABC interview on Sunday. You can read the transcript here. In an Axios interview on Friday, Trump said he resisted punishing China for its mass internment of ethnic Uighurs last year for fear of jeopardizing trade talks with Beijing. This confirms a damning claim in Bolton’s book. As NYT writes, it is a blunt admission of Trump’s transactional approach to human rights and willingness to subordinate other U.S. policy priorities to a potential trade deal he considers vital to his re-election.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi: “President Trump’s admission that he is looking the other way and enabling one of the worst human rights atrocities of our time in order to ink a trade deal is appalling… Since Day One of his Administration, President Trump has had the tools to hold Chinese officials accountable for these human rights abuses and others including in Hong Kong by deploying sanctions under the 2016 Global Magnitsky Act, yet has refused to do so.”
Bolton said he was worried about leaving Trump alone in a room with Vladimir Putin. “Because I didn't know what he would say,” Bolton continued, “it's certainly not advancing the interests.” (ABC) Bolton writes that Trump was eager - even desperate - to meet with Putin. Bolton said he saw Trump display “the same fascination with speaking with a leader like Putin that we saw with respect to Xi Jinping and Kim Jong Un… The president himself used to comment on how strange it was that in one trip he took to a NATO summit, a summit with Theresa May, the prime minister of Britain, and then Vladimir Putin in Helsinki that he thought the easiest, most pleasant one might be with Vladimir Putin.” z/story?id=71287825)) Trump compared his courtship of North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un to dating and “always wanted to be the one who broke up with the girl first,” Bolton told NPR. “[Trump] used that to describe whether he would cancel the summit with Kim Jong-un first or whether we would risk the North Koreans canceling it.” When NPR interviewer Steve Inskeep asked if the president had “a kind of romantic approach to numerous dictators”, Bolton agreed: “Yeah, I think that’s an accurate description.” Bolton says Trump “directly” told him his goal last year was to link “military assistance and that opportunity to go after Joe Biden.” "It was a trade. It was a trade of an investigation in exchange for the security assistance,” Bolton says. This is the definition of quid pro quo. z/story?id=71287825))
Russia and Putin
To add to what Bolton recounted about Trump and Putin’s relationship (above), former National Security Council member Fiona Hill told The New Yorker about her experiences… Hill said Trump’s translator for a 2017 meeting with Putin told her that Trump assured the Russian leader that he believed Putin never meddled in the 2016 election. Trump then took the translator’s notes. At the end of the meeting, Putin told Trump, “Let’s talk later.” The two had a private conversation at dinner with only Putin’s translator present.
Later that year, Trump and Putin had another unscheduled exchange, at an economic summit in Da Nang, Vietnam. A White House official who accompanied Trump said he overheard the beginning of the conversation, in which Trump engaged in “mundane small talk” with Putin, before he and his foreign counterparts were escorted out of the room. Hill said, “That’s the one meeting where nobody has any clue about what was discussed.”
The Kremlin and White House are reportedly discussing exchanging Paul Whelan for convicted arms dealer “Merchant of Death” Viktor Bout. In 2011, Bout was convicted by a jury in a Manhattan federal court of conspiracy to kill U.S. citizens and officials, delivery of anti-aircraft missiles, and providing aid to a terrorist organization
Matthew Miller, who led Attorney General Eric Holder’s communications team, responded: “This would be a real travesty. Bout has the blood of thousands of people on his hands, and his arrest and extradition was a major U.S. accomplishment that some of our allies helped us with at significant cost.”
Top Democrats introduce bill to stop Trump's Germany withdrawal… Sen. Menendez said in a statement that “This drawdown weakens America and Europe. And Vladimir Putin understands and appreciates that better than anyone.” Rep. Engel added: “President Trump has once again made foreign policy decisions based solely on his absurd affection for Vladimir Putin, a murderous dictator who has attacked America and our allies.” More:
US fighter jets intercept 8 Russian warplanes near Alaska for 4th time in a week
Researchers uncover six-year Russian misinformation campaign across Facebook and Reddit
Tomorrow, June 24, Mueller prosecutor Aaron Zelinsky and DOJ official John Elias will testify before the House Judiciary Committee about AG Barr’s interference. Zelinsky withdrew from the Roger Stone case when Barr intervened to soften the sentencing recommendation House Judiciary Chairman Nadler is preparing to subpoena Barr for his testimony on July 2. Nadler is investigating Barr’s involvement in the forced resignation-turned-firing of SDNY prosecutor Berman, as well as the DOJ’s reversal in Michael Flynn’s case. Both the House Democratic and Senate Republican police reform bills are being brought to the floor this week. McConnell will need seven Democrats to vote in favor of the GOP bill in order to advance the legislation. It is unlikely to be accepted by the House without significant changes.
UPDATE: Senate Democrats are indicating that they will block the GOP bill from advancing.
How the two versions compare: The Democratic bill bans chokeholds, while the GOP bill disincentivizes chokehold use (allows it if an officer is “in danger”). Democrats end qualified policing and ban no-knock warrants, but the GOP allow both policies to continue unchanged. Finally, the GOP adds additional funding for police; the Democratic bill does not. (source: MSNBC)
Voting and elections
Kentucky cuts THOUSANDS of polling locations ahead of today’s primary election. The 3,700 voting locations have been reduced to only 170. The biggest cuts per population occurred in counties with the largest black population in the state. This election will determine which Democrat faces Mitch McConnell in November.
UPDATE: Fayette County, home of Lexington, seems to have the longest lines this morning. The wait time is reportedly between 1-2 hours and it is now raining on the voters, lines stretching around the block. Linda Blackford, of the Lexington Herald-Leader, is on the scene with updates.
UPDATE: Voting is going much smoother in Louisville, where lines are shorter than anticipated.
UPDATE: Lexington seemed to be the location with the longest line all day. Reporters on the scene said most voters were in good spirits, though.
UPDATE: Polling hours apparently extended and doors reopened in Louisville after officials didn't let people vote who were on the property by the deadline. Some video in this thread - voters banged on the doors to be let in.
Op-ed: It is no wonder that a recent study showed that in 2016, residents of entirely black neighborhoods waited 29 percent longer to vote than their counterparts in entirely white neighborhoods. This disparity held up even within the same counties. Far too many election officials accept long lines, election after election, as the “usual.” Others accept long lines in minority communities as a cynical trade-off to ensure that members of their white communities don’t complain. Finally, others seek a partisan advantage.
Meanwhile, though thousands of voters have requested mail-in ballots in an attempt to avoid in-person voting, some have yet to receive them just days before the election date of June 23, when they must be postmarked. Perhaps indicative of the upcoming troubles in Kentucky, the unemployment line in the state last week was an 8 hour wait from the back of the line. Police turned people away from joining the line eventually, taking their name and number in the hopes of getting a call from a real human to solve the hold/denial of their unemployment application. A federal judge in Alabama blocked the state from enforcing a trio of restrictions for absentee and curbside voting for the state's July 14 runoff election amid concerns from voters who say they are at a higher risk of severe illness from the coronavirus. The Texas Democratic Party asked the U.S. Supreme Court to expand access of mail-in ballots to all voters in the state, including those afraid of contracting the coronavirus. Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds said she plans to sign an executive order that would reinstate the voting rights of Iowans who have completed their felony sentences. It is unclear what form such an order would take. Iowa Republicans added a last minute voter suppression measure to the state budget in an overnight session. The Republicans added new voter identification requirements for early voting. Vice President Mike Pence and a half-dozen other senior advisers to President Donald Trump have repeatedly voted by mail… More than three years after leaving the Indiana governor's residence, Pence still lists that as his official residence and votes absentee accordingly (which Trump would define as voter fraud if a Democrat did such a thing).
Bolsonaro fraudulently circumvented Trump’s COVID-19 immigration ban to smuggle his scandal-plagued ex-Education Minister into the U.S.
Trump let Nigel Farage break coronavirus travel rules “in the national interest” to attend his Tulsa rally. Chairman of the House Homeland Security Cmte. Bennie Thompson requested documents from DHA on its decision to wave the coronavirus travel ban.
Trump extended a freeze on green cards for new immigrants and signed an executive order to suspend new H-1B, L-1, J and other temporary work visas for skilled workers, managers and au pairs through the end of the year.
Federal court rules that ICE can no longer enter NY courthouses just to arrest alleged undocumented immigrants
Authorities transferred hundreds of people between shadowy immigration prisons, ignoring the coronavirus threat. Criminal Alien Requirement, or CAR, prisons are a shadowy network of facilities overseen by the Bureau of Prisons but run entirely by private contractors and used exclusively to house noncitizens serving federal sentences, often for immigration-related offenses.
‘Either he’s dead or he’s been kidnapped’: ICE detainees go ‘missing’ amid coronavirus
Why Is the United States Exporting Coronavirus? Holding asylum seekers, immigrants, and others in facilities where the virus easily spreads only to later send them to other nations is a public health hazard — here and abroad.
News stories that didn’t fit in previous categories. In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump was asked what crime he thinks Obama committed: “Treason. Treason. It’s treason.” Trump continued by accusing Obama of spying on his campaign and said that he’s looking forward to the Justice Department’s investigation concluding. The FBI used its most advanced spy plane to watch Black Lives Matter protests and the Department of Homeland Security used aircraft to surveil protests in 15 cities.
The Air Force inspector general is investigating the use of military aircraft to monitor protesters during recent unrest across the country, according to an Air Force spokesperson.
A large 'Black Lives Matter' banner draped on the front of the U.S. embassy in Seoul was removed after it was brought to the attention of Trump and Mike Pompeo. A large, multicolored “pride” banner recognizing lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people was also removed. Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s promotion to full colonel is in jeopardy over what some officials fear could be White House retaliation for his role in last year’s impeachment inquiry. Such promotions are typically signed off on by Army and then Pentagon leaders before moving to the White House and the Senate for a confirmation vote.
Multiple government officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to address personnel matters, have voiced concern, however, that the White House could strike Vindman’s name once it is conveyed, effectively sanctioning him for testimony he gave under subpoena to House lawmakers.
Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko denied Sunday that former Vice President Joe Biden ever approached him about Burisma Holdings… “My absolutely clear answer: no, never,” Poroshenko told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria. ‘We are facing extermination’: Brazil losing a generation of indigenous leaders to Covid-19. Coronavirus has swept through tribes, killing elders – and inflicting irreparable damage on tribal history, culture and medicine US Department of Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue ordered environmental rollbacks for the Forest Service, to allow for more grazing, logging and oil development on public lands. The Arctic Circle Hit 101 degrees (F) on Saturday, its hottest temperature ever. The average high temp for June is 68 degrees (F). This dramatic warming of the Arctic up to triple-digit temperatures was not expected to happen until 2100 from climate change. The Climate Crisis Is Killing Us, and America’s Premier Public-Health Agency Doesn’t Care… The government spends more on Trump’s trips to Mar-a-Lago than on the CDC’s climate program Facebook deactivated dozens of ads placed by President Trump’s reelection campaign that included a symbol once used by the Nazis to designate political prisoners in concentration camps.
2020.06.12 10:26 kittehgoesmeowWhat A Day: Free Milley by Sarah Lazarus, Brian Beutler & Crooked Media (06/11/20)
"I'm thinking about the banana stand on Arrested Development." - Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), doing that weird likable thing again
The Alarmed Forces
As President Trump continues to inflame racial tensions and threaten peaceful protesters with violence, he’s increasingly fighting against not only public opinion, but Congress and the U.S. military, too.
The military’s discomfort with Trump’s use of force isn’t limited to top officials. A number of National Guardsmen have told reporters that their role in the protest response ran contrary to their sworn oath to uphold the Constitution. Here’s one Guardsman who was involved in the Lafayette Square fiasco: “A lot of us are still struggling to process this, but in a lot of ways, I believe I saw civil rights being violated in order for a photo op...What I saw was just absolutely wrong.” Unbeknownst to most of us, the original plan was even worse. National Guard units from around the country had stockpiled weapons and ammunition in the DC Armory, in preparation to shoot protesters.
Already at odds with the military over whether attacking American citizens is Good or Bad, Trump has now picked a fight with Congress over the renaming of military bases that currently honor Confederate officers. Today the GOP-led Senate Armed Services Committee approved an amendment to the annual defense policy bill, proposed by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), that would require the Pentagon to rename those bases. Pentagon leaders have already indicated they’re open to this. On Wednesday White House Press Secretary Kaighyleighy McEnaneighney (think that’s right) said Trump would veto the bill if it included such an amendment, and whimsically added that either you honor these historical traitors or you hate our troops.
Top military officials publicly backing away from him hasn’t stopped Trump from continuing to threaten protesters with federal force.
In Seattle, WA, protesters have established the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ): an area outside Seattle Police Department’s East Precinct with no police, free food, and evening documentary screenings. On Wednesday night Trump deemed those protesters “Domestic Terrorists,” and threatened local leaders with federal action: “Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will.” Both Gov. Jay Inslee (D-WA) and Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan quickly told Trump to shove it, Durkan with an elegant “Go back to your bunker.”
Lest there be any confusion about why Trump is defending Confederate traitors and calling Black Lives Matter protesters “terrorists,” he’s made sure to work some racist dog whistles into his campaign schedule. In addition to scheduling his first major rally on Juneteenth in Tulsa, OK, Trump is now set to accept the GOP presidential nomination in Jacksonville, FL, on the 60th anniversary of Ax Handle Saturday, a day when a white Jacksonville mob organized by the KKK (and joined by some of the city’s police officers) attacked peaceful civil rights protesters.
It’s stunning to see the top military official in the country publicly denounce the president’s actions. It’s also a sobering reminder of just how far Trump has gone off the rails, and the scale of what’s at stake. As Joe Biden warned bluntly on The Daily Show on Wednesday night, “This president is going to try to steal this election.” Trump’s racist, authoritarian slide is part of that effort, and underscores the reality that we’ll need all hands on deck →
Look No Further Than The Crooked Media
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Under The Radar
Police in Louisville, KY, released a virtually blank incident report on Breonna Taylor’s death. In their report on the night they shot Taylor, a 26-year-old black woman, in her own home in March, officers listed her injuries as “none.” Police also checked “no” next to the form’s “forced entry” box, but witnesses and crime scene photos show they used a battering ram to enter Taylor’s apartment while she was asleep. In the “notes/narrative” section where officers were meant to explain how the events of the night unfolded, they wrote only “PIU investigation” (Public Integrity Unit). The three officers involved have been placed on administrative reassignment, but none have been arrested and charged in Taylor’s death. Let’s rectify that: Here’s where to sign the petition demanding justice, then scroll down to find the contact information of Louisville officials.
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Is That Hope I Feel?
Blue Apron will make election day a paid day off for employees. Army scientists have developed a promising potential coronavirus vaccine, and could begin human trials this summer. Microsoft said it will not sell facial recognition technology to police, until there’s a federal law regulating its use. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has called for the removal of nearly a dozen Confederate statues in the Capitol.
2020.05.27 12:21 opiate_liferNick Berg was either a CIA/NSA asset, or an Al Queda asset before he was beheaded.
Old news but remember this guy? You probably don't if you're young but he was one of the wave of Americans beheaded in the middle east following Iraq war 2 that helped inflame tensions online and in the USA. By incredible coincidence, he had a pre 9/11 encounter with Zacarias Moussaoui at random on a bus where he not only allowed him to borrow his laptop to send an email, but also gave him the login and password of his own email address to use?!? Huh? At worst you'd think he would show this guy the link to set up his own hotmail account. Who gives a stranger who needs to send an email your own account details? <<>> Funny thing is it really makes little sense why he was even anywhere near Oklahoma to run into Moussaoui. Is it common to take single college classes across the country where you are currently attending college? <<>> Ok so in 2003 this guy can't wait and dashes over to post war Iraq on some vague business plan to inspect and repair communication antennas using a company he created the year before. And things did not go well. << Berg had intended to return to the United States on 30 March 2004, but he was detained in Mosul on March 24. His family claims that he was turned over to U.S. officials and held for 13 days without access to legal counsel. FBI agents visited his parents to confirm his identity on March 31, 2004, but he was not immediately released. After his parents filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia on April 5, 2004, claiming that he was being held illegally, he was released from custody. He said that he had not been mistreated during his confinement. The U.S. maintains that at no time was Berg in coalition custody, but rather that he was held by Iraqi forces. The Mosul police deny they ever arrested Berg, and Berg's family has turned over an email from the U.S. consul stating "I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul." According to the Associated Press, Berg was released from custody on April 6, 2004 and advised by U.S. officials to take a flight out of Iraq, with their assistance. Berg is said to have refused this offer and traveled to Baghdad, where he stayed at the Al-Fanar Hotel. His family last heard from him on April 9, 2004. Berg had his last contact with U.S. officials on April 10, 2004 and did not return again to his hotel after that date. He was interviewed for filmmaker Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11. Moore chose not to use the footage of his interview with Berg, but instead shared it with Berg's family following his death.>>> And after this his body is found and eventually the video of his beheading is put online. So once again we see there is so much shit going on behind the scenes the public is not privy to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg
Due to the ever expanding investigation and Reddits character limit, this post is now Part 1 of a two part report. Part 1 covers 2006-2012 and Part 2, which can be foundhere, covers 2013-Present. Welcome everyone to DahvieVanityisaPEDO! The mods have noticed an influx of traffic to the sub and have decided to put together this two part report to gather all the case information, evidence and testimonies into one place. Our objective is to ensure everyone can keep track of the investigation and the voices of the survivors are being heard. It's important to us that they know we are listening and we believe them wholeheartedly. For those of you who have recently been introduced to this investigation and do not know who Dahvie Vanity is. Vice published an article, Who the Hell Is Dahvie Vanity?, which states, "Dahvie Vanity was a founding member of the group Blood on the Dance Floor, after becoming popular on MySpace as "The Elite Hair God". Blood on the Dance Floor's bold look, spiky and colorful hair, electropop "crunkcore" sound, Warped Tour appearances, and affiliation with Jeffree Starmade them synonymous with scene culture in the early 2010s.” Another one of the moderators made this post,Info About Dahvie Vanity - List of Aliases, Albums, Band Names, Songs, etcwhich is very informative and will assist you in identifying Torres online. Articles That Brought Dahvie’s Crimes into The Public Sphere
2006, Orlando, Florida: Kristen Gonzalez (15) was invited to Torres’s apartment under the guise of styling her hair. She was forced to perform oral sex. (Source: HuffPost, 2019)
2006, Spring Hill, Florida: Priscilla Hendry (15) met Torres through Myspace where he invited her to the cinema. When she did not have the money for both their tickets he grew angry and drove her home. On the way there he pulled over, attempted to kiss her and “shoved her face into his crotch so forcefully that he ripped out her hair extensions”. Despite her pleas for him to stop, Torres forced her to perform oral sex. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2006, Orlando, Florida: Mal Levy Interview Anonymous Survivor (14) met Torres through Myspace. He would make out with and touch her sexually in the Trade Secrets salon in the Orlando Fashion Square mall where he worked. He invited her to his home (where she also met his mother) and attempted to sexually assault her. Upon realising she was on her period he stopped. (Source: Mal Levy's Repzilla Interview, 2020)
2006, Tampa, Florida: Liz Glitters (13) was contacted by Torres on Myspace where he offered to style her hair. They arranged to meet to go to the cinema. When Liz’s friend recognised Torres, she warned her not to go anywhere alone with him as she had heard rumours circulating about his predatory behaviour. During the film he repeatedly attempted to kiss her and place her hand on his penis. Afterwards it was dark outside and as he had parked at the back of the lot, she found herself completely isolated with Torres. In the car he demanded oral sex. When she resisted, he grew agitated and alluded to the fact that he had not driven two hours to Tampa for nothing. He then aggressively forced her to perform oral sex. Two weeks later he contacted her again after discovering she was having a party for her 14th birthday. He asked if it would be a girls-only slumber party. When she informed him that it was a mixed gender event, he lost interest. (Source:Repzilla Interview, 2020)
2007, Pinellas County, Florida: Dianna Farrell (14) met Torres through Myspace where he offered to dye and cut her hair. When Torres arrived at her home he was left alone with the child when her mother went to work. He forced her to perform oral sex. Eight days later Farrell phoned a radio show, Dawson McAllister Live, seeking support and a studio employee notified the police. When detectives spoke to Torres on the phone, he denied knowing she was underage. Dianna’s mother agreed to drop the charges if Torres stayed away from her daughter. The PD closed the case even though “ignorance of the victims age is not an admissible defense under Florida law”. (Source: HuffPost, 2019)
2007/2008, Orlando, Florida: Mal Levy (14/15) met Torres through Myspace where they exchanged phone numbers. Torres quickly turned their conversations sexual. When she travelled to Orlando to visit him she was given a drink which she believes was spiked. Torres proceeded to aggressively force her to perform oral sex. In 2009, at 17, she attended a BOTDF show in LA where Torres asked her to join them on tour as a merch girl. Whilst on this tour Mal witnessed Torres acting inappropriately with underage fans, attempting to groom their parents, discussing sexual content on stage, groping and making out with a 13 year old fan and caught him in their hotel room with an underage girl whilst in the middle of receiving oral sex. Torres began bullying her and making cruel jokes at her expense before subsequently firing her. She was not credited for her contribution to their song 'Sexting'. (Sources:Chris Hansen InterviewandRepzilla Interview, 2020)
2009, Florida: Ashlee Lillie (13) met Torres at a show in 2008 where her mother approached BOTDF’s manager Rebecca Fugate asking how Ashlee could mingle with the band. Rebecca told her that Torres was a hair stylist and offered to put her in contact with him. Torres subsequently added Ashlee on Myspace. In Feb/March 2009 he arrived at Ashlee’s home to style her and her 14 year old friends’ hair. He snuck alcohol to the girls and when her mother went to bed Torres entered the girl’s bedroom. He began questioning their sexualities, encouraged them to make out and joined in. Later in the night he put her hand on his exposed penis. When she recoiled he became enraged. In May he invited her to the cinema and afterwards, he parked his car in an isolated area of the parking lot and attempted to force her to perform oral sex. When she refused, he grew angry and erratically drove her home. He pulled over near her home and forced her to perform oral sex. (Source:Chris Hansen InterviewandRepzilla Interview, 2020)
2009, Florida: Damien Leonhardt (10), also known as Jessi Slaughter, added Torres on Myspace and met him soon afterwards at a BOTDF show. Torres began grooming them. Damien told Repzilla that they attended a BBQ at Torres’s parents’ home where they were forced to perform oral sex in the bathroom. Damien also told Repzilla that both Jayy Von Monroe and Jeffree Star witnessed them in the company of Torres at 11 years old. In 2010 a school friend exposed their relationship with Torres on Stickydrama. They retaliated by uploading the “I’ll pop a glock in your mouth and make a brain slushie” YouTube video. Torres was alerted to the situation and publicly denounced Damien as a liar who had underlying mental health problems. Damien then uploaded the “You done goofed” video with her father who was enraged by the bullying. Torres responded by making a parody YouTube video of this with Jayy. He then sent his fan base, the "Slash Gash Terror Crew", to dox Damien. On Damien’s 12th birthday BOTDF released their song “You Done Goofed” which included lyrics such as, “My name and reputation won’t be the target of a slut” and Damien subsequently attempted suicide the same day. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview,Repzilla Interview 1,Repzilla Interview 2, 2020)
2009, Centennial, Colorado: Ariel (16) met Torres at a BOTDF show where he signed her breasts, led her to his car, drove her to a semi-isolated parking lot and began aggressively kissing and groping her. He became angry when he placed her hand on his penis and she recoiled. He took her back to the venue. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2009, Centennial, Colorado: Torein (17) met Torres shortly after his interaction with Ariel. He asked her to go outside and led her to a secluded area. He forced her to her knees and ejaculated on her face. She stated that the encounter was over within 45 seconds, before she had time to process what was happening. Torres told her, “That was so good baby girl, you made me feel so good”. She went back to the venue, cleaned herself up and alerted the venue staff. Torres was arrested for this assault but as she had already cleaned herself off no evidence could be obtained at the hospital and Centennial PD dropped the charges. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2010, Brevard County, Florida: Patricia (15) spent time with Torres on several occasions and on at least one of these, was forced to perform oral sex. She stated, “He made it all seem so normal, and even came to see me twice more after [he assaulted me]… I was a confused kid desperate for attention and had misplaced feelings for a predator… He made me feel special.” (Source: HuffPost, 2019)
2010, New York City: Kay (15) met Torres at a BOTDF show where they exchanged phone numbers. They communicated for several months before Torres invited her and her mother to his home in Florida. During their stay Kay stated, “He just grabbed me by my hair and threw me to the ground” before forcing her to perform oral sex. In Summer 2011 at 16, Torres invited her to join the band at Warped Tour. Whilst she was alone on the tour bus Torres approached her and exposed his genitals. He stated, “You know why I brought you here. You’re gonna give me head, or you’re getting the fuck off the bus”. When she refused, he hit her in the face. (Source: HuffPost, 2019)
2010, Vancouver, Canada: Justine (16) attended a BOTDF show where Torres groped her breasts. (Source: HuffPost, 2019)
2010, Arizona: HuffPost Anonymous Survivor One (15) was invited by Torres to a party at his home where he demanded she perform oral sex, but on that occasion she managed to flee. After this they hung out a dozen more times. She eventually submitted to his demands for oral sex whilst she was still 15 and their sexual relationship lasted for a year. Torres eventually convinced her to have sex with him after months of grooming. He handed her emergency contraception and watched whilst she swallowed it in front of him. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2010, Ohio: Katie (18) met Torres at a BOTDF show at 16 where they exchanged phone numbers. The messages quickly turned sexual and she was groomed until she turned 18 when Torres then wanted to evolve their relationship to a physical one. In 2010 Torres paid for her to fly to Florida where they planned to visit the Walt Disney theme parks. During this visit Torres spiked Katie’s drink and filmed the ‘X Times 3’ video which was subsequently uploaded to YouTube. After it was filmed, he led her to his walk-in closet, pinned her to the ground by her throat, choked her, threatened to kill her and raped her. She was forced to stay with him for 1.5-2 months until her mother demanded Torres send her home to Ohio or she would phone the police. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2011, Norfolk, Virginia: Emerald Poor (18) met Torres unexpectedly at a local mall before a BOTDF gig she had been planning to attend. After the show Torres gave her his phone number. In November, Emerald made plans to meet Torres at his Holiday Inn room so they could go for breakfast together. When he opened the hotel room door he grabbed her by the throat and dragged her into the bathroom where he raped her. He forced her to watch the assault in the mirror. He then raped her a second time in the bedroom. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2011, Columbus, Ohio: Ellie (12) met Torres at a BOTDF show with her mother who had been friends with him on Myspace since 2009. Her mother took her to the band’s hotel for an after party and left her alone with Torres whilst she went to score drugs. Torres offered Ellie a $60 BOTDF jacket in exchange for oral sex, stating her mother would not find out. The child obliged. Afterwards, Torres added her on Myspace and communicated with her via phone for a year. In 2012 Ellie attended Warped Tour in Cincinnati alone. She met with Torres who led her to his tour bus. There he exposed her breasts, poured Monster energy drink over them to lick off and forced her to perform oral sex on him. She stopped communicating with him after this and he released the ‘Bad Blood’ album on her 14th birthday which she believes was targeted at her. (Source:Pastel Belle Interview, 2020)
2012, Cleveland, Ohio: Kate Offutt (16) attended a BOTDF show where she was molested by Torres after previously defending him vocally online against sexual abuse accusations. She stated, “There are so many people I’ve attacked on his behalf… After seeing so many testimonies you would think maybe these people aren’t lying, maybe there is something behind this, but unfortunately I put myself in denial ... I tried to believe for the longest time that he was innocent… Then it happened to me.” (Source: HuffPost, 2019)
2012, St Louis, Missouri: Sam (18) attended a BOTDF show and was invited by Torres onto the bands tour bus. She was forced to perform oral sex and during the assault she had an asthma attack. Torres “joked how his penis could have choked her to death”. (Source: HuffPost, 2019)
2012, Houston, Texas: Tye Burns (16) met Torres at the Cheesecake Factory in the Galleria Mall after communicating online. He referred to her during this meeting as “my little school girl”. Afterwards, he led her to his SUV which was parked in the malls underground parking lot. When they got into the car he forced her face into his crotch and groped her. In May Torres invited Tye, her mother and her brother to stay at his home in Arizona for a week. Tye’s mother trusted Torres as he had previously paid to get her car out of impound and offered to reimburse her for the 23 hour drive to his home (he didn't). Tye stated that during this visit he expected oral sex twice a day and that, “He would never ask my permission, just take me somewhere where we were alone and grab my head and push me down like a dog”. Jayy Von Monroe told the Huffington Post that he had seen Tye at the property with Torres, who passed her off as a family friend. (Source: Metalsucks, 2018 and HuffPost, 2018)
2012, Location Unknown: Shae (14) attended a BOTDF meet and greet where Torres groped her breasts. A couple of years later she attended another show on the ‘Bitchcraft’ tour where Torres approached her mother at the bar during the band’s performance of ‘Call Me Master’. He poured a drink over her, groped her and attempted to make out with her whilst she attempted to push him away. (Source: Metalsucks, 2018)
2012, Chandler, Arizona: Jenny (17) met Torres and arranged to go on a date. He forced her to perform oral sex. Torres convinced her to drop out of high school to come on tour with BOTDF. They dated for a year before she left him due to his serial cheating. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2012, Tulsa, Oklahoma: HuffPost Anonymous Survivor Two was groped by Torres at a BOTDF meet and greet. She requested to remain anonymous stating that Torres “has been known to stalk and harass his victims”. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2012, Boise, Idaho: Tiffany Galvez (17) went to dinner with Torres and a group of their friends. Afterwards, Torres invited them to his tour bus to “play with his hair”. He isolated Tiffany in the bathroom, pushed her against the wall and demanded oral sex stating, “So are you gonna S my D or what?” (referencing the 2008 BOTDF song). Her boyfriend arrived at that moment and Torres backed off. In the weeks following this incident Tiffany received numerous texts from Torres which were subsequently leaked online. One states, “I’m going to gag your little teenage mouth with my hard cock and fuck you till you cum all over me”. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2012, Boise, Idaho: Kyla Jorgensen (17) was with the previous survivor Tiffany Galvez. After Torres had attempted to assault Tiffany, he proceeded to isolate Kyla and groped her breasts. Both girls left before the situation escalated. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2012, Scottsdale, Arizona: Breanna Johnson (15), who also spoke with Metalsucks under the pseudonym ‘Alice’, met Torres at a BOTDF meet and greet where they exchanged phone numbers. She subsequently attended an after party at the bands home in Arizona where she was sexually assaulted on three separate occasions, including forced oral sex and rape. Torres promised her that he would have her families water supply turned back on in exchange for sex, promised her a position on tour as a merch girl and offered to be her first interview as a music journalist. (Source: Metalsucks, 2018 andChris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2012, London, England: Kerry Louise (19) was attending Warped Tour when she tweeted that she’d been waiting in the cold for some time. Torres DM'd her offering VIP passes. When she arrived at BOTDF’s tour bus Torres demanded she go to his private quarters. Once isolated he became aggressive and raped her whilst filming it on his phone. Torres invited Kerry to join them on the remainder of their Warped Tour shows and subsequently their 2013 European tour. Whilst in Paris in 2013, Torres spiked Kerry’s drink and forced her into a threesome with a fan. Torres flew Kerry to San Diego to work on the bands 2014 album ‘Bitchcraft’. Whilst in the US she was forced to perform sex acts on Torres. On one occasion, at Bar Sinister in Hollywood, Torres grew enraged that she was spending time with another guy. He stormed out of the bar and began verbally and physically assaulting Kerry, telling her that she was a “worthless, disgusting slut”. This YouTube video captured the end of a fight that night after a couple attempted to protect Kerry from Torres. When she left the US she ceased contact with BOTDF. She was not financially compensated fully any of her tour appearances. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2012, UK: An anonymous woman contacted Kerry Louise and told her that she had been sexually assaulted by Torres at his hotel during BOTDF’s UK tour. (Source: Kerrys Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2012, Kentucky: Tesah Jordin (16) was contacted by Torres on Twitter after tweeting about not being allowed to attend a BOTDF show. Torres phoned her later that same day and offered her concert tickets in exchange for an “oral report”. Tesah was groomed and manipulated by Torres until her 18th birthday when they met in person. She was coerced into having sex after previously refusing. Tesah dated Torres on and off for two years. In this time she witnessed him groping underage fans and bringing young girls to their hotel. She claims that Torres admitted to her that he is only attracted to younger girls. Tesah was also exploited financially after BOTDF separated and he was struggling with debt. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
Survivors of Grooming, Predatory/Inappropriate and Abusive Behaviours
2006, Florida: Jesse (17) met Torres through Myspace. He then contacted her through AOL messenger offering to style her hair in exchange for oral sex. When she refused he attempted to manipulate her. She blocked him on messenger and Myspace. (Source:Repzilla Interview, 2020)
2008, Location Unknown, US: Noa (11) met Torres via Myspace where he provided her with his Skype information, and began grooming her. He quickly became sexually explicit during their calls which culminated in him masturbating whilst on video. He explained that he couldn’t help himself as she was wearing a tank top and he could see her chest. Noa told him that she didn’t like what he had done but he became enraged and attempted to manipulate her. He claimed that if she liked him, she would allow him to do it. His demands of her during these calls gradually worsened. He asked her to expose her breasts, to put her fingers or objects down her throat until she gagged, to refer to him as “daddy” and to expose her genitals whilst touching herself. She expressed that she felt ashamed and deeply uncomfortable but obeyed him as she was living in an abusive household and desperately yearned friendship. Torres promised that he would save her from her mother. The final time they spoke, he informed her that he was done with her as grooming and coaching her to perform for him was proving to be too difficult. He threatened to send her family screenshots of her exposing herself on camera if she told anyone about him. He told her she wouldn’t be believed, and her family would be disgusted by her. He then blocked her. She attempted suicide for the first time 1-2 days later. (Source:Repzila Interview, 2020)
2009, Orlando, Florida: Jayy Von Monroe (16) met Torres in 2007 at a show, after being introduced to him via Myspace. On Jayys 18th birthday, in 2009, Torres called and asked him to join BOTDF after firing his other band member, Garrett Ecstasy. He began touring with Torres one month later and quickly learnt that he was aggressive, impatient and short tempered. Jayy explained that he had been groomed by Torres and was subsequently mentally, emotionally and financially abused. Jayy officially left BOTDF in 2016 after being diagnosed with HIV but still being forced to go on tour by Torres who was struggling financially. He appeared on Dragula in 2017 under his drag name 'Dahli' where he discussed why he left BOTDF. (Source: HuffPost, 2018 andChris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2010, Various Locations, US: Ash Costello (25), the lead singer of New Years Day, was victimised by Torres during two tours. On the 2010 “All The Rage!” tour, he pinned her against a wall and drew over her face in Sharpie, burst into her dressing room and began firing a super soaker in her face (ruining her makeup) and on Halloween night Torres assaulted Ash. She was getting changed when she heard strange noises, before noticing Torres standing in the shadows wearing a cloak and animal mask. She initially thought it was a joke until he lunged forwards, pinned her to the ground and began choking her. She was terrified and believed he was going to kill her. Her band members heard the commotion and saved her. NYD were pressured by their management to not file a police report and to stay silent. On the 2013 “The Scene is Dead” tour, NYD witnessed minors hanging around backstage and at BOTDFs tour bus, mums actively searching for their young daughters and frequent violent outbursts including an incident where he smashed the lighting guys laptop. At the beginning of the tour, Ash would join Torres on stage to perform alongside him. He would belittle her and even stated on stage that “you have to suck my dick if you want to make it in Hollywood”. Ash was scared to confront Torres due to his two large security guards. NYD were eventually released from the tour for discouraging a young girl from going to BOTDFs tour bus. Torres told Ash that he would ruin her. Afterwards, young girls felt comfortable coming to Ash about the abuse they had suffered at the hands of Torres. She compiled a report encompassing the testimonies and evidence from 30 survivors and filed a police report with the Orange County sheriff’s department. Police didn’t pursue an investigation due to jurisdictional issues and the evidence was destroyed after 2 years. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2012, Location Unknown: Sophie McClure (13) attended a BOTDF show where Torres kissed her. Sophie stated that at other BOTDF shows she witnessed Torres have “a young girl flash the crowd for a free shirt” and another where “he took his pants off and crowd surfed”. They continued to communicate for years afterwards. (Source: HuffPost, 2018)
2012, Oklahoma: Kortney (17) attended a tour alongside two older friends to watch Davey Suicide. Whilst hanging around outside the venue, Dahvie, accompanied by a large security guard, approached her, and complimented her on her dress. Later, the same security guard approached her and asked her if she liked botdf. When she said no, he replied “Ok I’ll let Dahvie know”. During Jeffree Stars performance a second man approached her and began chatting to her about his prior experience working with Davey Suicide. He asked her if they’d like to go on the tour bus. She agreed thinking he meant Davey’s. When they were brought on the bus, she realised it was BOTDFs. In the beginning, Dahvie appeared friendly but she felt uncomfortable and didn’t want to be on his bus. When the opportunity presented itself, he grabbed her, pulled her onto the bed against him, asked her age, stroked her arm, asked what her zodiac sign was and took a photo of them on his phone. He suddenly called for his bodyguard to “get rid of her friends”. Panicked, she said she wanted to go for a cigarette. Torres called on an older woman to take her for a smoke and then take her back to him. When she got off the tour bus she quickly left. (Source:Pastel Belle Interview, 2020)
2012, Cleveland, Ohio: Nydia (15), also known as N3l3na Kniv3z, began communicating with Torres on Twitter where he started grooming her and inviting her to stay with him. In 2012, after a show, Torres invited her back to his home for a party. She refused. In 2015, she began writing music for BOTDF’s “Cruel Pornography” album in exchange for credit and free merch (she did not receive either). The same year, she attended an all ages show where she seen Torres enter the women’s bathroom (she stated that Jayy also witnessed this). At a 2016 show, she witnessed Torres leaving the venue with two young girls. She ceased communication with him in 2018. Nydia stated that over the years Torres would frequently fill his mouth with water, swish it around and spit it out across the crowd. She also witnessed Jayy position a can of silly string at Torres’s crotch and squirt it across the crowd, feigning ejaculation. (Source:YouTube Testimony, 2020)
Victims of Exploitation and Theft
2010, California: Nicole Nogrady (27), also known professionally as Lady Nogrady, met BOTDF at a recording studio in LA where they worked on their “All The Rage!!” album. In a 2012 issue of Lemonade Magazine, Nicole explained how she was bullied by Torres and treated disrespectfully. She added that he had attempted to make sexual advances towards her, which she rebuffed. Torres responded by leaking her phone number on Twitter and encouraged his fans to dox her. She told Chris Hansen that Torres acted unprofessionally and had poor business ethics. Nicole was not compensated fully for her contribution to the album and was not paid for concert appearances. (Source:Chris Hansen Interview, 2020)
2010, Various Locations, US: October (21), who worked as a merch girl for Jeffree Star and William Control, met Torres on tour. He flirted with her and invited her to stay with him in Florida. Once there, she witnessed what she described as a revolving door of young women. In Oklahoma, October witnessed a group of young teenagers hanging around the band’s hotel parking lot. When they were confronted, they explained their 15-year-old friend was “with” Dahvie. When the girl left Torre’s hotel room, October stated she appeared extremely dishevelled. She claimed Torres was extremely aggressive, that he was frightening when angry and had a profound need to be in control. When discussing working in the alternative music scene from 2006 she stated she was brainwashed to believe that, “The musician’s always right, and to not make a fuss because if you make a fuss, then you’re considered high maintenance, and if you’re high maintenance, no one will hire you”. (Source:Pastel Belle Interview, 2020)
2020.04.17 16:50 clemaneuverersEvidence for Advanced Culture in Distant Ages: a comprehensive compendium of the most credible archeological OOPARTS (Out Of Place ARTifacts) that have been found in the strata of our earth over the years, by both archeologists and layman alike, complete with details, illustrations and/or photos.
In 1871, William E. Dubois of the Smithsonian Institution reported on several man-made objects found at deep levels in Illinois. The first object was a copper quasi coin from Lawn Ridge, in Marshall Country, Illinois. In a letter to the Smthsonian Institution, J.W. Moffit stated that in August 1870 he was drilling a well using a “common ground auger” (W. Dubois 1871, p. 224). When Moffit brought the auger up from a depth of 125 feet, he discovered the coinlike object “on the auger.” To get down to 125 feet, Moffit drilled through the following strata: 3 feet of soil; 10 feet of yellow clay; 44 feet of blue clay; 4 feet of clay, and, and gravel; 19 feet of purple clay; 10 feet of brown hard pan; 8.5 feet of green clay; 2 feet of vegetable mould; 2.5 feet of yellow clay; 2 feet of yellow hard pan; and 20.5 feet of mixed clay. Using the sequence of strata given by Winchell (1881, p. 170), the Illinois State Geological Survey (personal communication, September 1984) gave an estimate for the age of the deposits at the 114-foot level. They would have formed during the Yar-mouthian Interglacial “sometime between 200,000 and 400,000 years ago.” The quasi coin described above suggests the existence of a civilization at least 200,000 years ago in North America. Yet beings intelligent enough to make and use coins (Homo sapiens sapiens) are generally not thought to have lived much earlier than 100,000 years ago. According to standard views, metal coins were first used in Asia Minor during the eighth century B.C.
Modern Human Skeleton from Tanzania, over 800,000 years old In 1913 Professor Hans Reck, of Berlin University, conducted investigations at Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, then German East Africa. During his stay at Olduvai Gorge, Reck found a modern human skeleton that remains a source of mystery and controversy to this day. This modern skull is from a fully human skeleton found that year. The human skeletal remains, including this complete skull, were cemented in the rock and had to be chipped with hammers and chisels. It was found in the upper end of a rock bed dated at more than 1,000,000 years old. How did this modern human find his way 1,000,000 years into the past?
Figurines from Nampa, Idaho, about 2 million years old A small human image, skillfully formed in clay, was found in 1889 at Nampa, Idaho. The figurine came from the 300-foot level of a well boring. G. F. Wright (1912, pp. 266-267) wrote: “The record of the well shows that in reaching the stratum from which the image was brought up they penetrated first about fifty feet of soil, then about fifteen feet of basalt, and afterwards passed through alternate beds of clay and quicksand…. down to a depth of about three hundred feet, when the sand pump began to bring up numerous clay balls, some of them more than two inches in diameter, densely coated with iron oxide. In the lower portion of this stratum there were evidences of a buried land surface, over which there had been a slight accumulation of vegetable mould. It was from this point that the image in question was brought up at a depth of three hundred and twenty feet. A few feet farther down, sand rock was reached.” As for the figurine, Wright noted: “The image in question is made of the same material as that of the clay balls mentioned, and is about an inch and a half long; and remarkable for the perfection with which it represents the human form… It was a female figure, and had the lifelike lineaments in the pasts which were finished that would do credit to the classic centers of art.” In comparing the figurine one cannot help being struck with its resemblance to numerous ‘Aurignacian figurines’ found in prehistoric caverns in France, Belgium, and Moravia. Especially is the resemblance striking to that of ‘The Venus impudica’ from Laugerie-Basse. The Nampa image is also similar to the famous Willendorf Venus, thought to be about 30,000 years old.
Carved Shell from the Red Crag, England, between 2.0 and 2.5 million years old. In a report delivered to the British Association for the Advancement of Science in 1881, H. Stopes, F.G.S. (Fellow of the Geological Society), described a shell, the surface of which bore a carving of a crude but unmistakably human face. The carved shell was found in the stratified deposits of the Red Crag. The Red Crag, part of which is called the Walton Crag, is dated to be of Late Pliocene age between 2.0 and 2.5 million years old. This find would place intelligent beings in England as far back as 2.0 million and maybe as much as 2.5 million years ago. One should keep in mind that in terms of conventional paleoanthropological opinion, one does not encounter such works of art until the time of fully modern Cro-Magnon man in the Late Pleistocene, about 30,000 years ago. What visitor to Earth's distant past carved and left this shell?
A Tertiary Chalk Ball From Laon, France, 45-55 million years old. The April 1862 edition of The Geologist included an English translation of an intriguing report by Maximilien Melleville, the vice president of the Societe Academique of Laon, France. In his report, Melleville described a round chalk ball (Figure A2.2) discovered 75 meters below the surface in early Tertiary lignite beds near Loan. Lignite (sometimes called ash) is a soft brown coal. The lignite beds at Montaigu, near Laon, lie at the base of a hill and were mined by horizontal shafts. The main shaft ran 600 meters into a bed of lignite 2.3 meters thick, above which lay sandy clay with identifiable fossil shell. In August of 1861, workmen digging at the far end of the shaft, 225 feet below the surface of the hill, saw a round object fall down from the top of the excavation. The object was about 6 centimeters in diameter and weighted 310 grams. According to Melleville (1862a, p. 147), there was no possibility that the chalk ball was a forgery: “It really is penetrated over four-fifths of its height by a black bituminous colour that merges toward the top into a yellow circle, and which is evidently due to the contact of the lignite in which it had been for so long a time plunged. The upper part, which was in contact with the shell bed, on the contrary has preserved its natural colour – the dull white of the chalk… As to the rock in which it was found, I can affirm that it is perfectly virgin and presents no trace whatever of any ancient exploitation. The roof of the quarry was equally intact in this place, and one could see there neither fissure nor any other cavity by which we might suppose this ball could have dropped down from above.” De Mortillet (1833, p. 28) stated that the ball was found in an Early Eocene stratum. If humans made the ball, they must have been in France 45-55 million years ago.
Mortar and Pestle in California, up to 55 million years old. In 1877 Mr. J. H. Neale was superintendent of the Montezuma Tunnel Company, and ran the Montezuma tunnel into the gravel underlying the lava of Table Mountain, Tuolumne County.... At a distance of between 1400 and 1500 feet from the mouth of the tunnel, or of between 200 and 300 feet beyond the edge of the solid lava, Mr. Neale saw several spear-heads of some dark rock and nearly one foot in length. On exploring further, he himself found a small mortar three or four inches in diameter and of irregular shape. This was discovered within a foot or two of the spear-heads. He then found a large well-formed pestle and near by a large and very regular mortar. All of these relics were found the same afternoon, and were all within a few feet of one another and close to the bed-rock, perhaps within a foot of it. Mr. Neale declares that it is utterly impossible that these relics can have reached the position in which they were found excepting at the time the gravel was deposited, and before the lava cap formed. The position of the artifacts in gravel close to the bed-rock at Tuolumne Table Mountain indicates they were 33-55 million years old. Grazing and carnivorous mammals had not even evolved on the planet at this time. So who brought and left behind these artifacts in California nearly 50 million years ago?
Shoe Sole from Nevada, dated at 213 - 248 million years ago. On October 8, 1922, the American Weekly section of the New York Sunday American ran a prominent feature titled "Mystery of the Petrified 'Shoe Sole,' by Dr. W. H. Ballou. Ballou wrote: "Some time ago, while he was prospecting for fossils in Nevada, John T. Reid, a distinguished mining engineer and geologist, stopped suddenly and looked down in utter bewilderment and amazement at a rock near his feet. For there, a part of the rock itself, was what seemed to be a human footprint! Closer inspection showed that it was not a mark of a naked foot, but was, apparently, a shoe sole which had been turned into stone. The forepart was missing. But there was the outline of at least two-thirds of it, and around this outline ran a well-defined sewn thread which had, it appeared, attached the welt to the sole. Further on was another line of sewing, and in the center, where the foot would have rested had the object really been a shoe sole, there was an indentation, exactly such as would have been made by the bone of the heel rubbing upon and wearing down the material of which the sole had been made. Reid got hold of a microphotographer and an analytical chemist of the Rockefeller Institute, who made photos and analyses of the specimen. The analyses removed any doubt of the shoe sole having been subjected to Triassic fossilization.... The microphoto magnifications are twenty times larger than the specimen itself, showing the minutest detail of thread twist and warp, proving conclusively that the shoe sole is not a resemblance, but is strictly the handiwork of man. Even to the naked eye the threads can be seen distinctly, along with the definitely symmetrical outlines of the shoe sole. Inside this rim and running parallel to it is a line which appears to be regularly perforated as if for stitches. The Triassic rock bearing the fossil shoe sole is now recognized as being dated at 213 - 248 million years old. An obviously modern shoe, complete with stitching, and etched in time in ancient Triassic rock. What modern visitor was walking in our distant past more than 210 million years ago before the age of the dinosaurs?
Metallic Tube at Saint-Jean de Livet, France over 65 million years old. Y. Druet and H. Salfati announced in 1968 the discovery of semi-ovoid metallic tubes of identical shape but vary size in Cretaceous chalk (Corliss 1978, pp. 652-653). The chalk bed, exposed in a quarry at Saint-Jean de Livet, France, is estimated to be least 65 million years old. Having considered and eliminated several hypotheses, Druet and Salfati concluded that intelligent beings had lived 65 million years ago.
Gold Thread in England, between 320 - 360 million years old. On June 22, 1844, this curious report appeared in the London Times: "A few days ago, as some workmen were employed in quarrying a rock close to the Tweed about a quarter of a mile below Rutherford-mill, a gold thread was discovered embedded in the stone at a depth of eight feet." Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey wrote in 1985 that this stone is of Early Carboniferous age between 320 and 360 million years old. Who dropped this gold thread in the ancient fern forests in a distant time when the most advanced life forms on the planet where amphibians and insects?
Gold Chain from Morrisonville, Illinois, 260 - 320 million years old. On June 11, 1891, The Morrisonville Times reported: "A curious find was brought to light by Mrs. S. W. Culp last Tuesday morning. As she was breaking a lump of coal preparatory to putting it in the scuttle, she discovered, as the lump fell apart, embedded in a circular shape a small gold chain about ten inches in length of antique and quaint workmanship. At first Mrs. Culp thought the chain had been dropped accidentally in the coal, but as she undertook to lift the chain up, the idea of its having been recently dropped was at once made fallacious, for as the lump of coal broke it separated almost in the middle, and the circular position of the chain placed the two ends near to each other, and as the lump separated, the middle of the chain became loosened while each end remained fastened to the coal. The lump of coal from which this chain was taken is supposed to come from the Taylorville or Pana mines (southern Illinois) and almost hushes one's breath with mystery when it is thought for how many long ages the earth has been forming strata after strata which hid the golden links from view. The chain was an eight-carat gold and weighed eight penny-weights." The Illinois State Geological Survey has said the coal in which the gold chain was found is 260 - 320 million years old. This raises the possibility that culturally advanced human beings were present or visiting in North America during that time. How did this gold chain find itself left behind in Earth's distant past more than a quarter of a billion years before humans had evolved?
Carved Stone near Webster, Iowa, 260 - 320 million years old. The April 2,1897 edition of the Daily News of Omaha, Nebraska, carried an article titled "Carved Stone Buried in a Mine," which described an object from a mine near Webster City, Iowa. The article stated: "While mining coal today in the Lehigh coal mine, at a depth of 130 feet, one of the miners came upon a piece of rock which puzzles him and he was unable to account for its presence at the bottom of the coal mine. The stone is of a dark grey color and about two feet long, one foot wide and four inches in thickness. Over the surface of the stone, which is very hard, lines are drawn at angles forming perfect diamonds. The center of each diamond is a fairly good face of an old man having a peculiar indentation in the forehead that appears in each of the pictures, all of them being remarkably alike. Of the faces, all but two are looking to the right. Was this stone carved and left behind by a traveler from earth's future?
Iron Cup from Oklahoma Coal Mine, 312 million years old. On November 27, 1948 the following statement was made by Frank J. Kenwood in Sulphur Springs, Arkansas. "While I was working in the Municipal Electric Plant in Thomas, Oklahoma in 1912, I came upon a solid chunk of coal which was too large to use. I broke it with a sledge hammer. This iron pot fell from the center leaving the impression mould of the pot in the piece of coal. Jim Stall (an employee of the company) witnessed the breaking of the coal, and saw the pot fall out. I traced the source of the coal, and found that it came from the Wilburton, Oklahoma, Mines. According to Robert O. Fay of the Oklahoma Geological Survey, the Wilburton mine coal is about 312 million years old. What advanced civilization or visitor was creating or using iron pots in our past more than 300 million years ago?
Block Wall in an Oklahoma Mine, at least 286 million years old. W. W. McCormick of Abilene, Texas, reported his grandfather's account of a stone block wall that was found deep within a coal mine: "In the year 1928, I, Atlas Almon Mathis, was working in coal mine No. 5., located two miles north of Heavener, Oklahoma. This was a shaft mine, and they told us it was two miles deep. The mine was so deep that they let us down into it on an elevator.... They pumped air down to us, it was so deep." One evening, Mathis was blasting coal loose by explosives in "room 24" of this mine. "The next morning," said Mathis, "there were several concrete blocks laying in the room. These blocks were 12-inch cubes and were so smooth and polished on the outside that all six sides could serve as mirrors. Yet they were full of gravel, because I chipped one of them open with my pick, and it was plain concrete inside." Mathis added: "As I started to timber the room up, it caved in; and I barely escaped. When I came back after the cave-in, a solid wall of these polished blocks was left exposed. About 100 to 150 yards farther down our air core, another miner struck this same wall, or one very similar." The coal in the mine was Carboniferous, which would mean the wall was at least 286 million years old. According to Mathis, the mining company officers immediately pulled the men out of the mine and forbade them to speak about what they had seen. Mathis said the Wilburton miners also told of finding "a solid block of silver in the shape of a barrel... with the prints of the staves on it," in an area of coal dating between 280 and 320 million years ago. What advance civilization built this wall?... Why was the truth, as is so many of these cases protected and hidden?... What is the real truth about time travelers, modern humans, and modern technology in our past?
Hieroglyphics in Ohio Coal Mine, 260 million year old. It is reported that James Parsons, and his two sons, exhumed a slate wall in a coal mine at Hammondville, Ohio, in 1868. It was a large smooth wall, disclosed when a great mass of coal fell away from it, and on its surface, carved in bold relief, were several lines of hieroglyphics. Who carved these hieroglyphics more than 250 years before humans walked the earth?
Nail in Devonian Sandstone, between 360 and 408 million years old. In 1844, Sir David Brewster reported that a nail had been discovered firmly embedded in a block of sandstone from the Kingoodie (Mylnfield) Quarry in North Britain. Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey recently indicated that this sandstone is of "Lower Old Red Sandstone age" (Devonian, between 360 and 408 million years old). In his report to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, Brewster stated: "The particular block in which the nail was found, was nine inches thick, and in proceeding to clear the rough rock for dressing, the point of the nail was found projecting about half an inch (quite eaten with rust) into the 'till,' the rest of the nail lying along the surface of the stone to within an inch of the head, which went right down into the body of the stone." The fact that the head of the nail was buried in the sandstone block would seem to rule out the possibility the nail had been pounded into the block after it was quarried. This was a time where amphibians and insects were the only dominant life form on our planet. So who dropped this nail to have it eventually preserved in rock at a time more than 350 million years before humans appeared?
Shoe Print in Utah Shale, 505 to 590 Million Years Old. In 1968, William J. Meister, a draftsman and amateur trilobite collector, reported finding a shoe print in the Wheeler Shale near Antelope Spring, Utah. This shoe-like indentation and its cast were revealed when Meister split open a block of shale. Clearly visible within the imprint were the remains of trilobites, extinct marine arthropods. The shale holding the print and the trilobite fossils is from the Cambrian, and would thus be 505 to 590 million years old. Meister described the ancient shoe-like impression in an article that appeared in the Creation Research Society Quarterly: "The heel print was indented in the rock about an eighth of an inch more than the sole. The footprint was clearly that of the right foot because the sandal was well worn on the right side of the heel in the characteristic fashion."
Grooved Sphere from South Africa Over the past several decades, South African miners have found hundreds of metallic spheres, at least one of which has three parallel grooves running around its equator. The spheres are of two types – “one of solid bluish metal with white flecks, and another which is a hollow ball filled with a white spongy center” (Jimison 1982). Roelf Marx, curator of the museum of Klerksdorp, South Africa, where some of the spheres are housed, said: “The spheres are a complete mystery. They look man-made, yet at the time in Earth’s history when they came to rest in this rock no intelligent life existed. They’re nothing like I have ever seen before” (Jimison 1982 We wrote to Roelf Marx for further information about the spheres. He replied in a letter dated September 12, 1984: “There is nothing scientific published about the globes, but the facts are: They are found in pyrophyllite, which is mined near the little town of Ottosdal in the Western Transvaal. This pyrophyllite (AL2Si4O10(OH)2) is a quite soft secondary mineral with a count of only 3 on the Mohs’ scale and was formed sedimentation about 2.8 billion years ago. On the other hand the globes, which have a fibrous structure on the inside with a shell around it, are very hard and cannot be scratched, even by steel.” The Mohs’ scale of hardness is named after Friedrich Mohs, who chose ten minerals as references points for comparative hardness, with talc the softest (1) & diamond the hardest (10). For the purpose of this study, it is the sphere with three parallel grooves around its equator that most concerns us. Even if it is conceded that the sphere itself is a limonite concretion, one still must account for the three parallel grooves. In the absence of a satisfactory natural explanation, the evidence is somewhat mysterious, leaving open the possibility that the South African grooved sphere – found in a mineral deposit 2.8 billion years old – was made by an intelligent being.
Letters In Marble Block, Philadelphia (Age uncertain) In 1830, letterlike shapes were discovered within an old block of marble from a quarry 12 miles northwest of Philadelphia. The marble block was taken from a depth of 60-70 feet. This was reported in the American Journal of Science (vol.19 1831, p. 361). The quarry workers removed layers of gneiss, mica slate, hornblende, talcose slate, and primitive clay slate before coming to the layer from which the block containing the letterlike shape was cut. While they were sawing through the block, the workmen happened to notice a rectangular indentation, about 1.5 inches wide by .626 inches high, displaying two raised characters Several respectable gentlemen form nearby Norris-town, Pennsylvania were called to the scene and inspected the ob-ject. It is hard to explain the formation of the characters as products of natural physical processes. This suggests the characters were made by intelligent humans from the distant past.
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Hey JeffAre you still claiming your grandfather Zion founded Robbins brothers circus?Spoiler Alert ...he was 13 when Fred Buchanan changed the name from World Circus to Robbins Brothers.. `Also when are you going to pay Joe Barth the $83000 you owe him in the judgement he won against you?` Speaking of legal, tell Lauren to remit the bond for her notary license to the Oklahoma secretary of state. Her notary license has been suspended since 2017 and I've got copies of fraudulent notarized documents, including Me'licias name change petition 😊 `By the way, I've got some really nice aerial pics of the thackerville zoo taken about a week ago. Not a whole bunch has been done pard, certainly not as much as you've claimed.` `Gee what else would Reddit users like to know? Gotta fraud and a whole Potts lies bub, maybe I'll start my own Reddit blog and point out a few things.` Don't sick ole Frank \" hit man\" Glover on me bub...course the only thing he can hit is the bottle lolOh and hey, you new zookeeper \" Chris Trevino\", you know the one with the failure to appear and bench warrant, hanging out wit Eric Cowie? Tell him his former suspended sentence is now up for revocation and the Garvin County Sheriff's office will be coming for him soon.Speaking of revocation, be sure and make your Vegas court date June 1st. They're looking forward to seeing you again. `Well see ya in the funnies Loweboy.I'll be shocked if you reply, but you never know...See ya in the funnies.` posted by Just86in on /IAmA Click here to view the post. ● 3,549 Upvotes ● 3 reward(s). ● 1 silver reward(s), 1 gold reward(s) and 1 platinum reward(s) ● Posted: 16/04/2020 at 01:43:18 UTC
`Ouch. Sounds like you're having a tough time max. That sucks. I've been there, so I kinda know what you're talking about. I've been in the ever circling vortex of self doubt, frustration, and loathing. It's no bueno. I know. If you don't mind lemme tell you a couple things. You can read em if you want, read em again later if you feel like it. But honestly man, if I spend all this time typing this out to you and you don't let it be a little tinder for your fire, well, you're just letting us both down. And you don't HAVE to do that. You don't HAVE to do anything. But you get to choose.` (Who am I? My name’s Ryan and I live in Canada. Just moved to a new city for a dream job that I got because of the rules below. I owe a lot of my success to people much cooler, kinder, more loving and greater than me. When I get the chance to maybe let a little bit of help out, it’s a way of thanking them. ) `Rule numero uno - There are no more zero days. What's a zero day? A zero day is when you don't do a single fucking thing towards whatever dream or goal or want or whatever that you got going on. No more zeros. I'm not saying you gotta bust an essay out everyday, that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is that you have to make yourself, promise yourself, that the new SYSTEM you live in is a NON-ZERO system. Didnt' do anything all fucking day and it's 11:58 PM? Write one sentence. One pushup. Read one page of that chapter. One. Because one is non zero. You feel me? When you're in the super vortex of being bummed your pattern of behaviour is keeping the vortex goin, that's what you're used to. Turning into productivity ultimate master of the universe doesn't happen from the vortex. It happens from a massive string of CONSISTENT NON ZEROS. That's rule number one. Do not forget.` La deuxieme regle - yeah i learnt french. its a canadian thing. please excuse the lack of accent graves, but lemme get into rule number 2. BE GRATEFUL TO THE 3 YOU'S. Uh what? 3 me's? That sounds like mumbo jumbo bullshit. News flash, there are three you's homeslice. There's the past you, the present you, and the future you. If you wanna love someone and have someone love you back, you gotta learn to love yourself, and the 3 you's are the key. Be GRATEFUL to the past you for the positive things you've done. And do favours for the future you like you would for your best bro. Feeling like shit today? Stop a second, think of a good decision you made yesterday. Salad and tuna instead of Big Mac? THANK YOU YOUNGER ME. Was yesterday a nonzero day because you wrote 200 words (hey, that's all you could muster)? THANK YOU YOUNGER ME. Saved up some coin over time to buy that sweet thing you wanted? THANK YOU. Second part of the 3 me's is you gotta do your future self a favour, just like you would for your best fucking friend (no best friend? you do now. You got 2. It's future and past you). Tired as hell and can't get off reddit/videogames/interwebs? fuck you present self, this one's for future me, i'm gonna rock out p90x Ab Ripper X for 17 minutes. I'm doing this one for future me. Alarm clock goes off and bed is too comfy? fuck you present self, this one's for my best friend, the future me. I'm up and going for a 5 km run (or 25 meter run, it's gotta be non zero). MAKE SURE YOU THANK YOUR OLD SELF for rocking out at the end of every.single.thing. that makes your life better. The cycle of doing something for someone else (future you) and thanking someone for the good in your life (past you) is key to building gratitude and productivity. Do not doubt me. Over time you should spread the gratitude to others who help you on your path. `Rule number 3- don't worry i'm gonna too long didnt' read this bad boy at the bottom (get a pencil and piece of paper to write it down. seriously. you physically need to scratch marks on paper) FORGIVE YOURSELF. I mean it. Maybe you got all the know-how, money, ability, strength and talent to do whatever is you wanna do. But lets say you still didn't do it. Now you're giving yourself shit for not doing what you need to, to be who you want to. Heads up champion, being dissapointed in yourself causes you to be less productive. Tried your best to have a nonzero day yesterday and it failed? so what. I forgive you previous self. I forgive you. But today? Today is a nonzero masterpiece to the best of my ability for future self. This one's for you future homes. Forgiveness man, use it. I forgive you. Say it out loud.` Last rule. Rule number 4, is the easiest and its three words. exercise and books. that's it. Pretty standard advice but when you exercise daily you actually get smarter. when you exercise you get high from endorphins (thanks body). when you exercise you clear your mind. when you exercise you are doing your future self a huge favour. Exercise is a leg on a three legged stool. Feel me? As for books, almost every fucking thing we've all ever thought of, or felt, or gone through, or wanted, or wanted to know how to do, or whatever, has been figured out by someone else. Get some books max. Post to reddit about not caring about yourself? Good first step! (nonzero day, thanks younger me for typing it out) You know what else you could do? Read 7 habits of highly successful people. Read \"emotional intelligence\". Read \"From good to great\". Read “thinking fast and slow”. Read books that will help you understand. Read the bodyweight fitness reddit and incorporate it into your workouts. (how's them pullups coming?) Reading is the fucking warp whistle from Super Mario 3. It gets you to the next level that much faster. `That’s about it man. There’s so much more when it comes to how to turn nonzero days into hugely nonzero days, but that’s not your mission right now. Your mission is nonzero and forgiveness and favours. You got 36 essays due in 24 minutes and its impossible to pull off? Your past self let you down big time, but hey… I forgive you. Do as much as you can in those 24 minutes and then move on.` I hope I helped a little bit max. I could write about this forever, but I promised myself I would go do a 15 minute run while listening to A. Skillz Beats Working Vol. 3. Gotta jet. One last piece of advice though. Regardless of whether or not reading this for the first time helps make your day better, if you wake up tomorrow, and you can’t remember the 4 rules I just laid out, please, please. Read this again. `Have an awesome fucking day ☺` tldr; 1. Nonzero days as much as you can. 2. The three you’s, gratitude and favours. 3. Forgiveness 4. Exercise and books (which is a sneaky way of saying self improvement, both physical, emotional and mental) `Edit: Wow reddit gold? Thanks! No idea what to do with it or whats the deal but many thanks!` Edit2: Someone asked what I meant by \"much more when it comes to how to turn nonzero days into hugely nonzero days\". The long and short of it is a simple truth, but it's tough to TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND PRACTICE. It's this: you become what you think. This doesnt mean if I think of a tree, I'll be oakin' it by august. It means that the WAY you think, the THINGS you think of, and the IDEAS YOU HOLD IN YOUR MIND defines the sum total that is you. You procrastinate all the time and got fear and worry goin on for something? You are becoming a procrastinator. You keep thinking about how much you want to run that 5 k race in the spring and finish a champion? Are ya keeping it in mind all the time? Is it something that is defining your ACTIONS and influencing you DECISIONS? If it is, then you're becoming the champion you're dreaming about. Dreaming about it makes it. Think and it shall be. But do not forget that action is thought's son. Thoughts without actions are nothing. Have faith in whatever it is you've steeled your mind to. Have faith and follow through with action. `Ok, Ryan that's a bunch of nice words n shit, but how does that help me turn slightly nonzero days into hugely nonzero days. Do you believe all these words you just read? Does it makes sense to you that you BECOME WHAT YOU THINK OF? Ask yourself: What do I think of? When you get home and walk in the door. (how quickly did you turn that laptop on? Did turning it on make you closer to your dreams? What would?) At the bus stop. Lunch break. What direction are you focusing your intentions on? If you're like I was a few years ago, the answer was either No direction, or whatever caught my eye at the moment. But no stress, forgive yourself. You know the truth now. And knowing the truth means you can watch your habits, read books on how you think and act, and finally start changing your behaviour. Heres an example: Feeling like bunk cause you had zero days or barely nonzero days? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOURE DOING. and change just a little bit more. in whatever positive direction you are choosing to go.` Edit3: WHOA! This blew up! Major appreciation to Modified_Duck for making this cool ass image:http://i.imgur.com/7xsp7hJ.png `Edit4: Another AMAZING DESKTOP BACKGROUND!http://www.reddit.com/GetMotivated/comments/1rowpb/i_made_a_wallpaper_from_uryans01s_amazing_quote/` posted by ryans01 on /getdisciplined Click here to view the post. ● 10,860 Upvotes ● 3 reward(s). ● 1 silver reward(s), 1 gold reward(s) and 1 platinum reward(s) ● Posted: 09/11/2013 at 18:43:56 UTC
Was going to roast you but realized you [posted](https://www.reddit.com/RoastMe/comments/g2nq74/21_year_old_male_im_so_bored_that_im_actually_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) earlier. A few lies and a shave isn’t fooling anyone. posted by Firebug007 on /RoastMe Click here to view the post. ● 1,735 Upvotes ● 2 reward(s). ● 1 silver reward(s), 1 gold reward(s) and 0 platinum reward(s) ● Posted: 16/04/2020 at 21:29:21 UTC
2020.03.31 17:43 themeanbeaverMy fellow Watchmen, I made a connection between 2 cryptic videos pointing to one event. Please help me your thoughts.
I pet goat II https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6nCa_OTEM The video opens with the letter S=19 and D on W.Bush 's hat D=4, 4-19, April 19, Patriots Day. I pet goat shows exactly the same scene as Madonna's Eurovision stage scene, Statue of Liberty's torch falling off and water. 231134421 Be Ready video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pTL6BwCqjds The cryptic message in this video is trying to also draw your attention to Patriot's Day (April 19) This is why they present these dates to us:
911 ( Sept 11 false flag) which is now called Patriots Day
April 19 ( Oklahoma False flag) done on Patriots Day
May 1 1776 (Founding of illuminati) the real day the Patriots won independence.
April 19, Edward Snowden, is called a 'Patriot', he says he did it for his country.
The picture that is blurred in this video is the Day after Tomorrow movie poster. So the video is telling us the Day before is Patriots Day. The Video is a warning to leave New York on Patriots Day or you will perish on April 21, 2020, under the dark conjunction new moon which is the day that Event 201 takes place, the real reason they are preparing us to be inside and to expect mass death. The last symbols image in the video depicts a clock with the hands on 1 and 12, 112th day is April 21, 2020 or time at 1:00. The Ying yang symbol tells us of a position between Virgo and the turn to Libra in the constellations, which is in the Spring. They purposely inverted the times so we would look for the constellations in the wrong seasons so we would not see the signs in the heavens. How is Libra and Virgo placed in the fall when we can only view them best in the Spring? They inverted everything so we would not know what time it is in earth. The rest of the symbol images are high water, location North America and power outage. This is why Q is so obsessed with this date. Madonna's 2019 Eurovision stage scene displays this in a sick ritual scene exactly showing this destruction, New York being destroyed and she tells them." The storm isn't coming, it's within you' "You ain't Woke" "Not everyone is coming to future" showing a destroyed New York City. Through the destruction of New York, they will birth their new antichrist world order. Patriots Day is April 20 in 2020(but was originally April 19, 1775) the day before the Calamity that will hit New York and all of us. If you're of the Spiritual, April 21,2020 is the Lord's real Passover date that is prescribed in Exodus 12:3, the 14 Fourteenth day of the first month, which is calculated from the first visible full moon on the 1st month, Nisan which means 14 days later is Passover which always lands on a dark conjunction moon as it did on the day Jesus was crucified on the dark conjunction new moon as it is the only way a solar eclipse could have occurred. The Modern Jews count their 14 days from a new conjunction instead of the visible full moon. They follow the Dark moon instead of the full moon to arrive 14 days at an incorrect Passover date. But we know since Jesus was crucified on an eclipse that Passover was on a dark conjunction new moon Not a visible full moon! Modern Hebrews are on the wrong Passover date. The dates matter because that's the day of destruction the Satanists have chosen this day to do their evil, But the Lord will save those who Mark his Day and are prepared in his name as he has instructed us to be prepared since time of Moses in Exodus, he will let them know of the truth, he will save those who remember his day of salvation and therefore him. You'll notice also Qanon psyop keeps directing his followers to this day. He keeps circling and pointing to this date of Patriots Day. He tells them this is the day before the Storm, prepare. They don't get it. Q is a cruel psyop of the satanists cabal teasing the masses with their ritual crumbs. May God, Yah, save all the innocent people for his sake. May they Awaken to his Day of Salvation on April 21, 2020, the Lord's Passover.
2020.03.19 05:02 southpawFAA Sunday School Slaughter: The case of Brenda Andrew and James Pavatt
First time poster here, but I wanted to speak about a case that resonated with me. One goal of mine is to write True Crime Stories one day, perhaps. I've always loved True Crime novels, so this is my opening attempt at a true crime story. I hope this impresses you. I haven't seen any books on the Andrew murder case. I haven't seen anyone speak about this on the internet, so I thought I would discuss it, as it was mentioned in a Snapped: Killer Couples episode. This is the case of Brenda Andrew and James Pavatt--the murder of Rob Andrew. Note: I am not an expert on the case. I am just going on the crime details as mentioned by other news documents and TV specials on this couple that went on the run in 2001. Here we go. Buckle up, this will be long. Brenda Evers was born in Enid, Oklahoma, and she would go to church with her Lutheran family in town. Brenda Andrew in high school was a twirler for the school's colorguard. She would go to the high school games to twirl, but she was not really the type to party much, according to readings. Rob Andrew was born in Enid to a Baptist family. Rob was overall a great student, graduated high school with high marks. Brenda and Rob met in high school in the strangest of ways. Rob was swimming in the community pool when Rob's brother came up to him and said, "There's a cute lifeguard chick that wants to meet you." Rob approached Brenda, and the two instantly hit it off and began dating. Rob after graduating high school went to Oklahoma State University and Brenda would soon follow him there. Rob would graduate after 4 years with a degree in advertising, but not before Brenda and he would tie the knot in matrimony. Brenda and Rob married right out of college, and the couple moved to Oklahoma City, where Rob and Brenda both had jobs lined up. Rob worked for a major advertising company in town, one that would handle accounts for the likes of Disney and major oil executives. Brenda worked a short time as a bank teller. It was only a short time, because Brenda would soon be pregnant with her first child, a girl (I don't want to mention the children's names because she doesn't deserve to be associated in a bad light). After Rob and Brenda had their first child together, Brenda left her job to become a stay-at-home mother. Rob made enough money becoming an advertising executive that Brenda didn't even need to work anymore. The couple was well-off financially, with high affluence. The family only grew as time moved on. While living in their newly purchased two-story house, Brenda would give birth to a second child, this time a boy. Brenda became soccer mom supreme. She traded her car for a mini-van, and Brenda became dedicated to her kids. In the meanwhile, Rob and Brenda were also committed to their church. Rob and Brenda attended a church in Oklahoma City known as North Pointe Baptist. Rob was an elder of the church, and he was by all intents and purposes described as a wonderful man by all who knew him. People would say Rob would go out of his way to make sure you felt welcomed and accepted as a member, and no one could say a bad thing about him. Brenda became a Sunday school teacher, and she worked with the kids in the nursery, teaching Bible study. Rob and Brenda seemed to have a life to be envied and were a picture-perfect couple. So people thought. Dark secrets were being held in the Andrew household, particularly for one Brenda. Brenda before meeting Rob had a secret history behind her that Rob didn't appear privy to. Brenda liked to walk on the wild side, in a vastly different manner from her veneer of piety. Brenda after years of being soccer mom grew tired of the life all together. Brenda wanted adventures, and she found plenty of adventures... in men. Brenda threw off her apron and mom jeans and began to go out more in revealing outfits that were far too risque for her church congregation. In the process, she found plenty of men who wanted to have some fun with the married mother of two. Brenda had by most people's accounts an attractive figure, and she kept in good shape. Brenda was petite with brown eyes and long brunette hair. She had a way of gaining attention from men. Brenda found one too. Brenda began an affair with a man named Rick, who was one of Rob's friend. Brenda and Rick had been together by some accounts up to a year before it was all over. Rob had confronted Brenda about the affair by going to Rick's house, and Rob demanded the affair to cease. Brenda broke off the affair with Rick after the year, and Rob and Brenda stayed together with their two children. However, it was not for long that Brenda would start another affair, this time with a grocer named James. Brenda approached James in the produce section of the local supermarket and had asked her to sleep with her. According to one story, Brenda wore a little skin-tight dress and approached James with a hotel room key, and she said to James, "You passed the test.". Bizarre as it may sound, that was the beginning of affair #2. Brenda would meet James in hotel rooms to have sex and opine over her frustrating marriage to Rob. Brenda, when not in hotels, would still come up to see James, even while James was working. One time James and Brenda had a quickie in Brenda's mini-van, because (according to James) "She couldn't wait." Brenda continued the affair for quite some time, but she then broke it off with James in a mutual decision. Brenda went back to her marriage again. Brenda also applied herself back into church, even though they never stopped going. Rob always according to most tried to be the best husband he could be, and he was always committed to Brenda as his wife. However, Brenda started to make changes, by becoming more involved in the church. It was at this time that she became a Sunday school teacher. It was also at this time that she began another affair--with three being the charm. Brenda while working as a Sunday school teacher met a man named James Pavatt. James Pavatt was a decade Brenda's senior, but it was all the reason for the attraction in the 1st place. James Pavatt was a former soldier in the Armed Forces and had recently divorced from his 1st wife. Pavatt and Brenda while working together struck a match for each other, and soon that match turned into a smoldering flame of lust, greed, and passion. Pavatt and Brenda were locked in an affair, making love in the face of the congregation. Brenda while going to church for Sunday school had been more than once called out for her inappropriate attire while there. Brenda was known to wear tight dresses that highlighted her shapely, petite figure and legs. Even while the kids and the congregation could see, Brenda was known to expose her body for attention from others. However, what was even more scandalous was her behavior with James Pavatt. Members of the congregation would recall moments where Pavatt and Brenda would start hugging, touching, and flirting with each other, even during the sermons. An affront of the highest degree to many, Pavatt and Brenda did not have any plans on stopping. However, the church stopped them instead, kicking them out of being Sunday school teachers. This left Brenda highly upset, so upset that Brenda asked for divorce from Rob. Rob, not cuckolded by his wife for another man for the third time, was forced to leave his home and his children. Brenda kept the house and the children, while Rob had to find an apartment in town. Rob and Brenda now were in divorce court. Rob and Brenda agreed to many of the aspects of the divorce. However, there was one thing that Brenda could not get around: Rob's life insurance policy. Rob had a life insurance policy worth $800,000. The beneficiary of that life insurance policy was none other than his former wife, Brenda. Brenda did not want to lose that life insurance policy that was created by Brenda's insurance agent, James Pavatt. Rob was going to change the life insurance policy to benefit his two kids, but Brenda would have none of it, screaming "It's mine! It's mine!" according to one witness. Brenda was upset that the life insurance policy would be changed and demanded for the judge to keep it. Brenda would end up losing that battle... for the moment. The life insurance policy was changed...for the moment. After the divorce papers were overall going to be signed, Rob started to have some interesting circumstances pop up in his life, all revolving around his soon-to-be ex wife. Rob one day out of the blue was called up by the local hospital, detailing that Brenda had gotten into a horrific accident with the kids in tow. Rob was then told that he needed to hurry to get to his kids, because the kids were in critical condition. Rob did what any good father would do: he hopped in his car and started to drive for the hospital. However, would Rob would never make it there. Rob while putting out of his neighborhood notice something was up with his car. Rob's brakes weren't working at all! Rob could not stop his car, and his car kept going despite him pushing the brakes. Rob had to swerve off the road and call the hospital for his kids. Once, he did, he received a flooring assertion.The hospital overall replied that they had never even seen a Brenda Andrew that day. The call Rob received was a hoax. Rob instantly had to stop driving and go straight to his auto mechanic to have him tow. The auto mechanic after looking at Rob's car found something really off with the car. His auto mechanic told him some harrowing news: Rob's brake lines were cut, and it was an intentional act. Rob was overall shocked by the news at hand that someone would want to harm him like that. Rob had an idea of who would want to, though. Brenda Andrew. Rob called the authorities and stated that he felt was being a target for murder, by his soon-to-be ex wife and her lover. Rob stated how the cut brake lines even made it seem textbook for murder. However, despite the speculation by Rob, the authorities could not overall prove that Brenda or James Pavatt were the masterminds behind the cut lines. So, nothing could be done and nothing changed. At least for a few weeks. On November 20, 2001, everything changed. Rob Andrew was going to pick up his two kids for a custody visit and take them to his parent's house for the weekend. Rob would never get to see the kids, though. Rob would meet his maker before then. While arriving at the house, Brenda asked Rob if he could fix the pilot light to the water heater. Rob agreed to help Brenda as he still loved and cared for her. Rob, though, was ambushed in the process. According to Brenda's report, soon after Rob was working on the pilot light in the house, 2 men in masks came out from behind the cars, threatening to shoot at Rob and Brenda. Before Rob got shot once, Rob grabbed a trash bag full of pop cans as a defense shield against the shooter. It would be to no avail, though. Rob was shot at close-blank range twice, and Rob was pronounced dead at the scene. Brenda did come out unscathed either. However, Brenda's wound was much less deadly. Brenda while stating she was running away from the shooter got shot in the upper arm. Brenda had a gunshot wound to her arm with black gunsmoke on it. Brenda would survive her gunshot wound. Everyone agreed that Brenda was lucky to be alive. However, was she really lucky? Whenever officers arrived on the scene, officers found a highly confounding issue with what had happened. First thing, Brenda only suffered a minor wound while saying she ran away. How did the shooter only shoot Brenda at the arm? Weird. Also of note was Brenda's overall behavior after the shooting. When asked about how she felt for Rob, Brenda said "I loved and hated him." Detectives found that highly bizarre in behavior for someone you'd been married to for almost 17 years. Oh, well. Another thing that was strange was how intact the house was. If two men in masks came looking to shoot, why did they leave with nothing? Why did the two men not rob the place? Also, why were the children upstairs with the television up loud, as if to not hear any noises? Hmmm.... Even with all the weird behavior, Brenda was not under arrest... at least not yet. Brenda was cleared to go, but authorities would need to speak with her soon, especially after the neighbors returned. Once the Andrew's neighbors, the Gigstad family, returned, everything started to fall into place. The Gigstad family had been on vacation out of town, and had returned the weekend after the shooting at the Andrew home. When the Gigstad family returned, they found that the Andrew home wasn't the only home that was disturbed. Their home was, too. The Gigstad family once inside their home had found that the house had an intruder. There was an empty shotgun shell casing lying on the floor in the closet, and the step stool wooden box was broken. It was a clear sign to the Gigstad that someone had been in their home. However, who would go into their house? One could say it was a robber that roughed up the place. However, none of the door hinges were broken to make that possible. It meant one thing: someone who had a key to the house came in. There was only one person who had that priviledged access to the Gigstad home: Brenda Andrew. When the shellcasing found in the Gigstad home was compared to the shell casings recovered at the scene, it was determined that the casings were fired from the same shotgun. Brenda had apparently given the key to the shooter to go into the home of the Gigstad to hide out. However, why would Brenda have given the key to a shooter who shot her and her husband? Then it became abundantly clear for detectives: Brenda had planned the entire murder to happen. Detectives made the pivot and declared not as a victim but suspect #1. The question became "Who was Suspect #2?". Detectives had their man in mind. Only one person was looking to gain the most from Rob Andrew being dead along with Brenda: James Pavatt. Detectives had their two suspects ready to go. However, those two suspects would be long gone before they could get there. On the day of Rob's funeral, there was a noticable absence in the crowd. While Rob's parents and loved ones all showed up, there were the absences of a few "loved ones"--Brenda and the kids. Everyone began to look around and wonder where was Brenda and where were the kids. Then it became clear to everyone: Brenda wasn't showing up because they were on the run. Brenda had gone on the lam and took the kids with her. They weren't alone, however. Brenda had someone in tow with her, her lover James. Soon after the funeral was over, Oklahoma city police put out an all-points bulletin for the capture and detainment of Brenda Andrew and James Pavatt, who were both declared wanted for the murder of Rob Andrew. The crime made primetime news, and soon it would make America's Most Wanted. Brenda and James were not only out of Oklahoma City; they were out of the country. However, would they get away forever? Not so fast, my friend. Brenda and James would only be missing for four months. On February 28, 2002, Brenda and James were found and captured by law enforcement at the southern border of Texas, as Brenda and James sought to re-enter the country after being destitute for weeks. Brenda and James's banking accounts were frozen, and neither could withdraw any money to sustain their fugue. Brenda and James had to come back to get more money. It was then they were captured. Brenda and James were both charged with capital murder and were sent back to Oklahoma to face prosecution. Both received remand. James Pavatt came on trial in 2003. James Pavatt used the defense that he had nothing to gain by killing Rob, because Brenda was already to going to leave Rob for him. James didn't need to kill Rob for any reason, since he had already had Brenda. The jury didn't buy that defense. James Pavatt was convicted of capital murder for the death of Rob Andrew, and he was sentenced to death. Brenda Andrew would go on trial in 2004. Prosecutors painted Brenda as a black widow who sought for a major payday. Brenda was set to gain Rob's life insurance policy worth $800,000 in total if Rob had deceased. Prosecutors even played tape of how Rob was afraid of Brenda when the brake lines were cut, stating that he believed that Brenda was in cahoots to kill him. However, two more tapes would come out. One tape came to life, detailing the heartbreak of Rob from his wife leaving him and how his wife only loves his money. However, the more fatal tape was the tape in which Brenda left a hate message for Rob on his phone, making fun of his lack of parenting skills and calling him 'half-assed". Brenda was also painted as an adulteress. James Pavatt was not the only man that Brenda had an affair with during their marriage. It had come to light that Brenda had been having a host of affairs with multiple men during their marriage, and Pavatt was only the last one. Brenda had cheated on Rob throughout their marriage, and did it with no impunity. Photos emerged of Brenda spending time with James Pavatt and having the kids come along. Brenda overall didn't seem to bear any shame in hiding her affairs from the children. The evidence against Brenda's character was astounding. However, there was one other smoking gun that really would paint Brenda in the worst light. There was another life insurance policy--not for Rob, though. Rather, It was for James Pavatt this time. A six-figure life-insurance policy was placed on the life of James Pavatt, and there was one person named the beneficiary of such claim: Brenda Andrew. Brenda Andrew had a life insurance policy created for Rob, and then had one created for James, knowing James would either die in prison or be put to death for Rob's murder. Prosecutors knew then and there an ultimate praying mantis. Brenda had the hunger for more. So much so that whenever Rob tried to change the insurance policy from Brenda's hands, Brenda signed to change it back to her. How was this known? Rob's signatures were forged. A handwriting expert overall looked at the signatures of Rob Andrew, and what he found was that Rob's signature had been altered on multiple documents over the life insurance policy. Handwriting analysis concluded it could not have come from Rob at all. Rob Andrew was known for writing and signing with using the Ichtyus symbol, as a sign of his Christian faith. Every document Rob had signed used the fish symbol in some way when signing. However, on a few documents, Rob did not sign with the Ichtyus, which was overall very out of character for him. After extensive analysis, it was found that Rob could never have signed those same papers. It had to be a forgery, done only by the someone close to Rob. That being said, what put it over the top was the forensic evidence at the scene. Breaking down the 911 call, prosecutors made sure to note the flat affect of Brenda while on the phone, with no signs of distraught speech whatsoever. Prosecutors noted that as the signs of a cold-blooded killing. Even past that, prosecutors dissected Brenda's gunshot wound. Brenda had the gunsmoke and soot on her arm the night she was shot. That according to ballistics experts can only happen if one is close up to the gun, as if trying to shoot oneself.. Brenda did not shoot herself, but she was right up on the gun at close range. Who else would be there to shoot other than her adulterous lover? However, the big piece that tied Brenda in too deep was Brenda's jeans on the day of the murder. Brenda's pants were taken in for evidence gathering the night of the murder. The reason why was because Brenda had spatters of blood on the bottom of her pants. Detectives took the pants as evidence to be later tested. Blood analysis came to find it was Rob's blood at the bottom of her pants. That was not the unusual part, however. What was unusual was the pattern of blood left on the pants. Blood experts saw the blood-stained pants and concluded that the blood on the pants had to come from a high velocity blowback, only doable from a close-range gunshot leading to blood blow back. The stain on Brenda's pants made it abunantly clear: Brenda Andrew had to have shot her husband too! It was after this that Brenda's goose was cooked. In light of the overwhelming forensic evidence and circumstantial evidences at hand, Brenda Andrew was found guilty for the murder of her husband. Brenda was convicted of capital murder. The only thing left was sentencing. Brenda put her daughter on the stand to plea for her mom's life to be spared. Her daughter read a prepared statement, made to be heartwrenching in nature. However, it was what came after that stunned everyone. A letter had come to light, a letter of admission of guilt. It was signed by James Pavatt, and it was addressed to Brenda's daughter. In the letter, it stated that James had admitted that he was the one who shot and killed her father Rob, and that her mother Brenda had nothing to do with it. Prosecutors overall did not expect such a letter to come to light. However, they did notice something was up with the letter: it was forged. The letter did not appear to be written in James Pavatt's hand writing, as it was too ornate of handwriting. However, it did match someone's else handwriting: none other than Brenda. Brenda faked the letter to paint James as the killer. It didn't fool anyone, though. It certainly didn't fool the jury. On September 22, 2004, Brenda Andrew was sentenced to death by lethal injection. Brenda's run had come to an end. The soccer mom of two would now sit in a 6x9 cell, awaiting execution. In a case that stunned an entire city, the two Sunday school teachers now await to pay the high price for greed and folly. Brenda Andrew is currently on Death Row in Oklahoma. She is the only woman on death row in the state of Oklahoma. James Pavatt is serving his death sentence in McAlester, Oklahoma. He has exhausted all of his appeals and is awaiting execution. Writer's notes: This case has been documented in many crime shows. Snapped did one of Brenda. Sex, Lies, Murder did one. People Investigates did one. Snapped: Killer Couples. Forensic Files. Scorned: Love kills on Investigation Discovery. Those are just some of the few. This case has been wildly documented. This case has always stuck out to me. As someone who highly values marriage, I always feel for cases such as these. I always feel heartbroken when marriages don't work out. I feel terrified when they end in murder. It makes you reticent to marry, in a sense. It hurts in a way. I mean, the romantic in me wants love to last forever. However, there are cases when you can't explain why it fails. Rob sounded like a great guy who loved his wife and his kids and would do anything for them. Those are good things, right? Well, apparently they weren't good enough for Brenda. To have his love spurned by her, it sounds hurtful. What she did was take out a good man. I don't know what Brenda was hoping for in life. I don't know if she was hoping to live a life of fun and adventure. I don't know if she was satisfied by Rob. However, it's not like Rob didn't try. He loved Brenda, from what it sounded like. He loved her. But his love wasn't enough for her. I'm sure it would have been for someone else, though. Why not leave and let go? Why not move on and let both of you have another chance at love. Why did she have to have everything? Was her greed worth it? Was it really worth it? Could Brenda not have found someone else? I mean, there are plenty of people out there. Why not just look for someone else? Why did she have to take the father of her babies to death? She ruined so many lives, all for a dollar sign. She's such a horrible person to me, a nightmare of a human being. Rant over. --Songbird Sources https://people.com/crime/rob-andrew-killing-people-magazine-investigates/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10020347/sex-lies-murder-sunday-school-killers/ https://murderpedia.org/female.A/a/andrew-brenda.htm Photo of Rob Andrew https://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r960-7fb669de841297e5d5bc821c053adbf2.jpg Photo of James Pavatt https://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/large960_blur-bbd85d89a4b56ac3adfcab184fa3c780.jpg Photo of Brenda Andrew https://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/large960_blur-120c9125a8782a2703cfa6382f39320e.jpg
Kevin Van Pelt-(Canada/75/87) After showing out all year in international showcases for Canada’s national team, Van Pelt is looking like one of the top shooters of the draft and will probably be one of the best in the league. He is the #1 ranked SG and #5 ranked overall.
Jan Samson-(Philippines/80/95) Not many prodigies are centers anymore but Jan Samson is looking like the most physically dominant player to enter the draft in years. He is a solid outside shooter and a dominant paint scorer and protector. He will surely be a force for years. He is the #1 C and #4 overall.
Julian Diaz-(Tennessee/79/96) Diaz has one of the highest upsides of the draft and is a superb all-around scorer. There is not one flaw in his game and it showed in college as he brought the Vols to the Final Four this year averaging just under 26 PPG. He is the #2 SF and #2 overall.
N Strat-(North Carolina/82/96) Strat is the most NBA ready of all prospects this year. He led UNC to a national title while leading the league in scoring. Like Diaz, there are virtually no gaps in his game and he will no doubt dominate for a lengthy career. He is ranked as the #1 SF and #1 overall player in the 2020 draft.
Jrue Becks-(Michigan State/81/95) Jrue Beck rose onto the scene after dragging his 7th seed Spartans to the national championship, having 2 50 point games in the tourney. He was nothing short of amazing this year. The only concerns of scouts are his ball-handling and mid-range shot but they believe that he can improve greatly. He is ranked #3 among F and #3 overall but any team that takes him will get a star.
Draft Night Golden State-Julian Diaz(SF)-Initially projected to go 2nd, the Warriors shocked everyone and took Diaz. This was by no means a bad pick and he will complement Curry and Klay nicely. Phoenix-Jrue Becks(F)-Prepared to take Diaz, the Suns panicked when he wasn’t taken. Figuring something was wrong with him physically, the Suns took Becks and he is looking like he is going to dominate right away for them. New York-Jan Samson(C)-MSG rejoiced as Strat fell to the Knicks. He would be their savior…..or not. The Knicks took the center from the Philippines who was ruthlessly booed as he walked to the stage. Samson is gonna have to prove some people wrong. Memphis-N Strat(SF)-The Grizzlies were not expecting a treat like Strat to fall out of the sky for them. A star wing was all they needed and they got it. They pulled the trigger and took Strat. Charlotte-Kevin Van Pelt(SG)-So far overlooked because he has not shown prodigal athleticism, Van Pelt got less attention. This was great pick by Charlotte though and now all they need to do is get him some help. Offseason Transactions The Lakers re-signed Anthony Davis for $35.00M/year through 2025. The Pistons signed Fred VanVleet for $14.32M/year through 2024. The Heat signed Brandon Ingram for $27.46M/year through 2023. The Hawks signed Montrezl Harrell for $17.27M/year through 2024. The Hawks signed Hassan Whiteside for $17.07M/year through 2023. The Pelicans signed Kendrick Nunn for $12.07M/year through 2024. The Suns signed Caris LeVert for $10.93M/year through 2024. Preseason Charlotte-The Hornets didn’t make any big moves this offseason but they did improve their young players greatly and because of extreme improvement, they are now ranked 7th in the NBA and 2nd in the East. Drafting Van Pelt also puts them way up there. He is looking at being the best shooter in the league and could lead Charlotte far because of it. Golden State-The Warriors passed on Strat in the draft and took Diaz and they are looking good. They are 3rd in the NBA and the West. The only worry is the regression of the vets. These years are crucial and it is now or never for the Warriors. The team will still be full of shooters and they are gonna be deadly this year. Memphis-After missing the playoffs last year, the Grizzlies lucked out in the draft, nabbing N Strat. Along with Jaren Jackson Jr’s insane improvement this offseason, they are 1st in the NBA and West, looking to go all the way, barring any injuries. Strat has also improved and will likely carry most of the load. New York-The Knicks were looking like they were gonna have another tough year after drafting Jan “Big Boy” Samson. They were ranked 18th in the NBA and 8th in the East. However, they signed Marcus Morris and that signing boosted them to 10th in the NBA and 4th in the East. They are looking to play some major bully ball this year with Barrett running the point. Phoenix-The Suns are looking like they will be the most exciting team to watch. They are 2nd in the NBA and West, just behind the Grizzlies. Becks is looking to lead the team but Booker, Ayton, Levert, and Oubre will all be major contributors, along with Rubio off the bench. Their biggest obstacle will be Memphis but it is looking like it could be one of the greatest rivalries to date. I want to thank all those who are reading this. A special shoutout to the 5 participating in this for being active and responding, it wouldn’t be possible without them. For those interested in doing something like this, I do have a pending list. The biggest rule is you must be active in the group chats. Another big thanks for reading this, let me know your thoughts and opinions. I will post a summary after every year.
2020.02.26 21:29 Chance_the_AuthorWhat happened to Emma Tresp? (Long read)
This case has always bothered me. I also think it is sad that very little follow up or new information has come forward. There are some other strange occurrences around the time of Emma's disappearance that need to be addressed as well. Emma Tresp, aged 71, left her home in Stillwater, Oklahoma the morning of August 31, 1998. She was on her way to a retreat at the Benedictine Monastery, outside of Pecos, New Mexico. A retreat and place that she knew well. She had traveled the exact route a several times prior. The route to the Monastery is well known and paved the entire way. By her children's accounts, Emma was in excellent health and had no know mental issues or no known bouts of memory loss. She never made it to her destination. Though she is one of five well known cases throughout the Pecos National Forrest that have gone missing into thin air. Emma's last record of being seen was a gas stop in Santa Rosa, New Mexico at approximately 3PM. So she should have reached the Monastery by 4:30pm or 5pm with no stops. Data from that date shows it was a perfect New Mexico summer day. Average temp was 70 degrees. No weather. And the sun set between 8-9pm. So even if she took a detour to hike or take pictures (which she was not know to do) then she had plenty of daylight to see her way to the final destination. To get to the Monastery, she would had three options. She could have taken the 40, to the 84 which gets you to I-25 which then you would get off near Rowe at the highway 63 (not 63a - more on that below). That would have been an hour and a half. She could have also taken Highway 40 (aka route 66) a little further, to highway 3 north, to I- 25 and the same route to 63 to the Monastery. That would have been an hour and 50 minutes. But both of these ways take you through more rural New Mexico that a 71 year old, traveling by herself, may wanted to avoid. The more likely route she took, especially where they eventually found her car, would have been to stay on the 40 all the way to Cline Corners then up the 285 which lands you on the east side of Glorieta, on I-25. This route would be a beautiful drive but also have the most traffic. This route also makes the best sense as her car was eventually found on highway 63A. A country road that is easy to miss as it is not well marked and there are no towns or waypoints if you were take this road. It eventually dead ends in the Pecos forrest. There was no cut off to get to the Monastery. There really would have been no reason to take this road at all. Only reason would have been if she was using an old map and the map had the route as 63, not 63A. The problem with that is she had been to the Monastery several times. She would have know any way she previously took would have been on paved roads. Not a country dirt road. Her family did mention she could become confused at times when driving. So Emma does not make it to the Monastery. She does not check in with any of her children or friends. This is where some of the info starts to become harder to find. What we do know is when Tresp's children found out she never arrived at the monastery, they all traveled to New Mexico and began searching for her. They called hospitals to see whether she had had an accident and suffered memory loss, passed out fliers, and searched the route looking for Tresp's car. Here is a picture of county road 63A, also locally known rather ominously as Camino Del Diablo, or “The Devil’s Road.” http://imgur.com/a/wbHkOCv On September 6th, a hunter found Emma's car. It was lodged on a rock in middle of side road from "Devils Road" The info I could find makes it sound like the oil pan broke on that lodging. This led authorities to believe that she had somehow gotten confused and taken the wrong road, after which her car had gotten stuck in a rut. But how could she have possibly mistaken the eroded, unforgiving terrain of the unmaintained Devil’s Road for the immaculate paved lanes of Pecos Monastery Road? I drove up this route last week. The Devil’s road starts off smooth enough, but quickly devolves into a mess of potholes, ditches, ruts, steep inclines, and it's basically a one lane road. I did not make it to where Emma did in fear my own car would suffer the same fate. I also had plenty of daylight but that road is surrounded by old, gnarled, pinyon forrest and random randshackled trailer homes. It felt foreboding to me, an experienced hiker and lover of getting lost outdoors. Why would she have chosen this unforgiving route she did not know? The road gets worse and worse as you drive further into the forrest. Her little Honda surely would have been rattled to the core, worse and worse as she crept north. Now the odd parts come about. Take some of these statements for granted as I am sure law enforcement surely is holding something back. But by all accounts, the car was locked, and everything was still in her car except for Emma and her purse (although that is debated as well). She had her luggage, money, a charged cell phone, all visible and still in the locked car. Undisturbed. What was odd to the searchers and to law enforcement was the scene around the car. You could see that Emma got out of the car. Walked around it, and then nothing. No footprints leading up to the road, no footprints leading out into the forrest. Just what was around the car. Further, the search dogs picked up no trail past the car. There was no blood at the scene and no visible signs of foul play. It was as if Emma was lifted out of that exact spot and never heard from again. Now, a.couple of points to bring up here.
The children also searched the car and area around it. There seems to be nothing that contradicts the above statement in regards to the search hounds or footprints. What we do not now, is what the weather was like in that exact spot, between August 31st and September 6th. Could there have been moisture that erased her scent or any other footprints? Here is a picture of her current memorial and where the car was found : Emma's memorial
Besides a few older articles and some amatuer YouTube clips there is not lot to be found. Most of the info also seems to be the same. A couple of small discrepancies. There really does not seem to be a prevailing theory. There were no signs of distress. No shredded clothing that usually would give indication of an animal attack. Most importantly, to this day, no sign of Emma's body or where abouts. Simply vanished into the wildeness. She would be 93 this year.
I won't go into detail on some of the "otherworldly" avenues that have been explored in her case. The Pecos forrest is sacred Native American ground. It is also the site of a bloody Civil War battle: "The battle of the Glorieta Pass". There are old legends about this particular forrest and there are many UFO sightings in and around this area. None of those factor into my facts of the case. What should be mentioned though is that there are at least 4 other cases of people going missing within a five mile radius of where Emma vanished. Two famous ones are Mel Nadel and Robert Browning. Both disappeared just like Emma and with no sign of either of them to this day. There have been a couple others missing persons within this forrest as well. Odd, but could be random coincidence as well
Who did local law enforcement talk to? There are people living up there. While a lot of them are living off the land and with limited resources, a quick drive up 63A will tell you that. I am sure most are just getting away from the "big city" and want nothing to do with other humans. But is there some unsavory characters living amongst the dense woods? There have been rumors of a serial killer in the area. But that is par for the course in New Mexico. No proof of that has been seen in that area. But we do not know who law enforcement chatter with. I would hope they knocked on the doors of the homes within a 10 mile radius?
Could have Emma been a victim of an accident? Did she walk out and get hit by one of the residents up there? They got scared and hid her body? I see this a sad possibility. However there has been no proof that Emma ever left the vicinity of her car. Her footprints were only around the car. And the search dogs went no further than the car vicinity.
It's a weird case that doesn't get mentioned much. Sure would love to hear from some locals that know that area, or maybe know some info that is not found on the internet. Ultimately it would be nice, like all these cases, to get some closure for her relatives that have no idea what happened to her. Edit I wrote this on my phone and somewhat hastily. I did not check for grammar or inconsistencies as I did this somewhat fast. I may go back in and change some things or add in facts I may have initially missed. But this should be the big picture overall. There is limited info to go on. Basic info regarding Emma's dissapearance: http://charleyproject.org/case/emma-frances-tresp
2020.02.18 21:02 heed_the_callDating a best friend's ex - can it be done?
So this story starts back a few years ago and is a little complicated (aren’t they all?). My (30M) best friend’s girlfriend (30F) and he broke up 4-5 years ago while we were all living in the same city. Since then, my friend had begun dating another girl and they are now engaged and getting married this summer. My friend’s ex has been in a couple of relationships since they broke up but has been single since October of last year. She recently had the opportunity to take a new role with her job and move to Houston. Side note – my best friend and I, the ex-girlfriend, and all of our friends grew up in Oklahoma City. As of a year ago, I got the opportunity to move to Houston. I jumped on it as I’ve always wanted to live there and I was looking to meet new people. Myself and my friend’s ex have always liked each other but have always respected each other’s relationships. There has never been any shady flirting or talking behind the scenes while my friend and her were dating. Once they broke up, her and I have always kept in touch some – nothing crazy, like a text here and there every month, but still no open flirting. So last month she moved to the same city as I where I’m still relatively new, making friends, exploring, etc. She’s obviously new here without friends. We reconnected and have been hanging out. We both know now that we have always liked each other – so that cat’s out of the bag. I took her out for valentine’s day and we kissed. I spent more time with her this past weekend and we slept together. We’ve been enjoying our time together. We make each other laugh like we always have, but it’s obvious that there is a looming feeling that it’s just awkward. Like technically we’re in the clear to date, but we’ve always seen each other as untouchables. So it’s just a little awkward. We’ve only slept together once – we’re both nervous to just jump into this as a full-bore relationship. I called the best friend last night and let him know the situation. He and the ex haven’t spoken in years so he had no idea that she was single or that she had even moved out of state. I told him that her and I have been hanging out and that he should hear that from me rather than someone else eventually. I wasn’t asking for permission – I just felt like he should know. And it did put me at ease a little. He told me that he was completely over her and that it was “my business”…and then we got back to talking about a future vacation we have planned. So it didn’t seem to me like he was really troubled by it. Also worth mentioning – my “best friend” and I hang out a few times a year now that we live in separate states. We were very close during grade school and college, but life happened and we’ve sort of gone separate ways. As a matter of fact - he and his fiancée are moving out of the country this May, so our relationship will be even more detached. So where I’m getting hung up at is this: Will the awkward feelings eventually fade away as we spend more time together as two people attracted to each other and allowed to act on those feelings? We’re also thinking about hypothetical scenarios where the original crew is back together for whatever reason and most everyone is used to her as “Mike’s ex-girlfriend”, but they see us together. Or going home for the holidays and having to introduce each other to our families as “my ex’s best friend” or “my best friend’s ex”. And a number of other one-off scenarios that don’t matter 95% of the time. Or does any of this even matter? Would these questions fade after we become our own couple instead of me being “her ex’s best friend” and her being “my best friend’s ex”. TL;DR – Contemplating dating my best friend’s ex of 4-5 years. Running into doubts. Will those fade? EDIT - We were actually thinking of the "So how did you two meet?!?" question when considering the home for the holidays situations. I wouldn't introduce her to anyone as "my best friend's ex". I'd like to redact that statement haha.
2020.02.12 23:31 tulsanewsbotWhat's happening around town (Wed, Feb 12th - Tue, Feb 18th)
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Dorothy and the Prince of Oz(Tulsa Performing Art Center - Tulsa) Thru Sun, Feb 16th Follow the yellow brick road to the Tulsa Performing Arts Center to experience the Tulsa Ballet's "Dorothy and the…
🎓 Tulsa Regional Science Fair(University of Tulsa - Tulsa) Start Time: 9:00am The Tulsa Regional Science Fair (TRSF) is open to public, private and homeschool students from seventh through twelfth grades who reside in Tulsa and Creek Counties. There are two divisions: Junior Division (Grades 7-9) and Senior Division (Grades 10-12). Registration is "open", meaning that students wishing to enter do not have to participate…
Wavy 80s Valentine’s Dance(Oklahoma Aquarium - Jenks) Start Time: 7:00pm FEBRUARY 14, 2020 7 P.M. - 11 P.M. Break out the leg warmers and hairspray—the 80s are back at the Oklahoma Aquarium’s Wavy 80s Valentine’s Day Dance! Dress up in your most neon spandex for a radical night under the sea. This magical evening will include a live DJ playing the best hits from Generation X, a photo booth to capture the…
Saturday, Feb 15th
🎭 August: Osage County(Theatre Tulsa - Tulsa) Thru Wed, Feb 19th Start Time: 8:00pm Presented By: Theatre Tulsa Tulsa playwright Tracy Letts’ Pulitzer Prize-winning triumph. Following their patriarch’s suicide, the Weston family comes together in Osage County, Oklahoma. Buried secrets are revealed and the bonds of family are tested in this frighteningly poignant show that proves the deepest scars come from the ones you love…
♪ DJ Demko(Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Tulsa - Catoosa) Day 2 of 2 Start Time: 6:00pm
Dorothy and the Prince of Oz(Tulsa Performing Art Center - Tulsa) 1 day left Follow the yellow brick road to the Tulsa Performing Arts Center to experience the Tulsa Ballet's "Dorothy and the…
Double Slice of Tulsa Flea Market(Expo Square - Tulsa) Day 1 of 2 Start Time: 8:00am Enjoy a double slice of Tulsa Flea Market the weekend of February 15 & 16! Shop an eclectic array of antiques, collectibles, vintage items, memorabilia, records, books, jewelry, crafts, and more. Located on Expo a square since 1972. We're open Saturday 8 to 4 and Sunday 11 to 4. Admission is FREE!
🎨 Drawing Rally 2020(Philbrook Downtown - Tulsa) Start Time: 6:00pm 75 artists work side-by-side to create original pieces of art. Finished work will be available for purchase on the spot on a first come, first served basis for a ridiculously affordable price. Proceeds support Philbrook arts and education programming. Free Entrance Drop-In
🎨 Kelli O'Hara in Concert(Broken Arrow Performing Arts Center - Broken Arrow) Start Time: 7:30pm KELLI O'HARA: FEBRUARY 15, 2020 And Oklahoma native with world-class resume, Kelli O’Hara is making her Broken Arrow PAC debut! On Broadway, Kelli’s portrayal of Anna Leonowens in the revival of “The King and I” garnered her the 2015 Tony Award for Best Leading Actress in a Musical. Other stage credits include “The Pajama Game,”…
♪ Lil Tjay - True 2 Myself Tour(Cain's Ballroom - Tulsa) Start Time: 6:00pm Cain's Ballroom welcomes Lil Tjay to Tulsa, OK on February 15, 2020 Advance - $27 + fees Day of Show - $29 + fees Door - $33 Mezzanine (21+) - $42 + fees VIP Meet & Greet - $125 + fees (ONLINE ONLY) No re-entry! No smoking! No refunds! Support acts are subject to change without notice! Lil Tjay Bio Before Lil TJay became the Internet heartthrob…
🎭 Luchatines(624 Catering - Tulsa) Start Time: 9:00pm Join us for our monthly Luchador match! Masked wrestlers duke it out in the ring in a battle of good vs evil. Plus we serve up tacos, margaritas and beers!
🏃 Sweetheart Run(Blue Dome District - Tulsa) Grab your sweetheart (or meet one at the race) and bring them to Fleet Feet Blue Dome (2nd and Frankfort) in Downtown Tulsa on Saturday, February 15, 2020 for the Sweetheart Run! Three distance options (5km, 10km, and Fun Run) plus the Double (5K+10K) make this a great race for everyone! When registering you have the opportunity to register as…
🎓 The Total Health & Fitness Expo(Expo Square - Tulsa) Day 1 of 2 The global fitness & health club industry generates more than $80 billion in revenue per year. Americans spend north of $60 billion annually to try to lose pounds, on everything from paying for gym memberships and joining weight-loss programs to drinking diet soda. This event will serve t
Sunday, Feb 16th
🎭 August: Osage County(Theatre Tulsa - Tulsa) Thru Wed, Feb 19th Start Time: 8:00pm Presented By: Theatre Tulsa Tulsa playwright Tracy Letts’ Pulitzer Prize-winning triumph. Following their patriarch’s suicide, the Weston family comes together in Osage County, Oklahoma. Buried secrets are revealed and the bonds of family are tested in this frighteningly poignant show that proves the deepest scars come from the ones you love…
Dorothy and the Prince of Oz(Tulsa Performing Art Center - Tulsa) Last Day Follow the yellow brick road to the Tulsa Performing Arts Center to experience the Tulsa Ballet's "Dorothy and the…
Double Slice of Tulsa Flea Market(Expo Square - Tulsa) Day 2 of 2 Start Time: 8:00am Enjoy a double slice of Tulsa Flea Market the weekend of February 15 & 16! Shop an eclectic array of antiques, collectibles, vintage items, memorabilia, records, books, jewelry, crafts, and more. Located on Expo a square since 1972. We're open Saturday 8 to 4 and Sunday 11 to 4. Admission is FREE!
🎭 Silversun Pickups / Tulsa, OK / Cain's Ballroom(Cain's Ballroom - Tulsa) Start Time: 7:00pm Silversun Pickups will be performing at Cain's Ballroom in Tulsa, OK on February 16. Special guests: Eliza & The Delusionals Pre-sale tickets available Tuesday, December 10 at 10 a.m. local time. Presale password = DONTKNOWYET Tickets on sale Friday, December 13 at 10 a.m. local time. New album Widow’s Weeds out now! Grab your copy on vinyl…
🎓 The Total Health & Fitness Expo(Expo Square - Tulsa) Day 2 of 2 The global fitness & health club industry generates more than $80 billion in revenue per year. Americans spend north of $60 billion annually to try to lose pounds, on everything from paying for gym memberships and joining weight-loss programs to drinking diet soda. This event will serve t
Monday, Feb 17th
🎭 August: Osage County(Theatre Tulsa - Tulsa) Thru Wed, Feb 19th Start Time: 8:00pm Presented By: Theatre Tulsa Tulsa playwright Tracy Letts’ Pulitzer Prize-winning triumph. Following their patriarch’s suicide, the Weston family comes together in Osage County, Oklahoma. Buried secrets are revealed and the bonds of family are tested in this frighteningly poignant show that proves the deepest scars come from the ones you love…
🎭 August: Osage County(Theatre Tulsa - Tulsa) 1 day left Start Time: 8:00pm Presented By: Theatre Tulsa Tulsa playwright Tracy Letts’ Pulitzer Prize-winning triumph. Following their patriarch’s suicide, the Weston family comes together in Osage County, Oklahoma. Buried secrets are revealed and the bonds of family are tested in this frighteningly poignant show that proves the deepest scars come from the ones you love…
Build A Reader: Stay and Play(Broken Arrow - Broken Arrow) Start Time: 11:00am For preschoolers, playing is learning! Join us for games, toys and activities that foster critical early literacy skills.
Build A Reader: Stay and Play(Helmerich Library - Tulsa) Start Time: 11:00am For babies, toddlers and preschoolers, playing is learning! Join us for games, toys and activities that foster critical early literacy skills.
Build A Reader Storytime: Family(Helmerich Library - Tulsa) Start Time: 10:30am Bring the whole family for this 0-to-5 storytime! Thereâs something for everyone â simple songs and books for the little ones, more interactive stories and activities for your older children.
Build A Reader Storytime: Family - Second Saturday Edition!(Tulsa City County Library - Tulsa) Start Time: 3:00pm Bring the whole family for this 0-to-5 storytime! Thereâs something for everyone â simple songs and books for the little ones, more interactive stories and activities for your older children.
Build A Reader Storytime: Preschool(Rudisill Reginal Library - Tulsa) Start Time: 5:00pm The best in children's literature, songs, games, finger plays, rhymes and other reading-related activities are shared with your preschooler.
♪ Eric Johnson Classics: Present & Past(Cain's Ballroom - Tulsa) Start Time: 6:30pm Cain's Ballroom welcomes Eric Johnson back to Tulsa, OK on February 18, 2020 This event has reserved seating! Advance - $30 + fees Day of Show - $33 + fees Door - $33 No re-entry! No smoking! No refunds!
🎓 Kiowa Language Class(Zarrow Regional Library - Tulsa) Start Time: 6:30pm This class is presented by the Kiowa Nation's Tulsa Kiowa Language and Cultural Revitalization Program and sponsored by the American Indian Resource Center. For adults and teens.
STEM Games and Activities(Hardesty Library - Tulsa) Start Time: 4:30pm Drop in and try out a new game, craft or puzzle. Come and meet other curious kids and strengthen your STEM-associated skills. For ages 7-12.
Tween Game Night(Nathan Hale Library - Tulsa) Start Time: 3:30pm Join us for friendly Xbox One and PS4 competitions for ages 9-14.
2020.02.11 23:41 sto_saThe list so far for RSD 2020 (an ongoing project...)
List Updated to include RSD UK titles as confirmed in Long Live Vinyl Magazine. These titles may not necessarily all be included on the US list, and further US-exclusive titles will be announced. The 3 Pieces - Iwishcan William - 12” (Rogue Cat) Ace of Base - The Sign - 7” picture disc (IK7 Records) Acid Mothers Temple - Nam Myo Ho Ren Ge Kyo E - 2LP (Space Age Recordings) Namja Akhtar - Five Rivers - 12” (Last Minute Productions) The Alarm - Electric Folklore Live ‘88 - 2LP (21st Century Recordings) Lee Alfred - Rockin’/Poppin’ Full Tilting - 7” (Cancer Records) Alessandro Alessandroni - Ritmo dell’industria n. 2 - LP (BTF) Alpha & Omega Meets the Disciples - Sacred Art of Dub, Vol. 1 - LP (Mania Dub) Alphaville - Sounds Like a Melody - 12” (Warner Music Germany) The Amorphous Androgynous - A Monster Psychedelic Bubble - LP (FSOL Digital) Andy & The Odd Socks - Happy Birthday/Remember You’re An Odd Sock - 7” picture disc (CMG) Annihilator - Triple Threat Unplugged - 12” (Neverland Music Inc.) Archers of Loaf - Raleigh Days/Street Fighting Man - 7” (Merge Records) Louis Armstrong - Armstrong in France LP (Dot Time Records) Art Brut - Modern Art - 7” (Alcopop!) Ed Askew ft. Trembling Bells - London - 12” (Tin Angel Records) Asking Alexandria - Stand Up and Scream - LP (Sumerian Records) B-Fax - B-Fax - LP (Disco-Ordination) Badflower - The Jester Acoustic - 12” (Big Machine UK) Chet Baker Trio - Mr. B - LP (Tidal Waves Music) The Bamboos - Twenty Years 2000-2020 - 2x7” (Tru Thoughts) Band of Pain - A Clockwork Orange - 12” (Dirter Promotions) Bardo Pond - On the Ellipse - 2LP (Fire Records) Robbie Basho - Selections from The Sounds of Avatars - LP (Tompkins Square) Bastille - All This Blood - 2LP (Virgin EMI) Batmobile - Big Bat A Go-Go - 7” (Music on Vinyl) Jessie Baylin - Pleasure Center - 12” EP black and white marbled (New West Records) Beck/St. Vincent - No Distraction/Uneventful Days - 7” (Capitol) Gerry Beckley - Discovering America - 10” (Morgan Blue Town) The Bevis Frond - Valedictory Songs - 2LP (Fire Records) The Bevis Frond - What Did For the Dinosaurs - 2LP (Fire Records) Joan Bibiloni - Selected Works: 1982-1989 - 12” (NuNorthern Soul) Biffy Clyro - The Modern LepeModern Love - 7” (Warner) Black Honey - Corrine - 12” (Black Honey) The Black Keys - Let’s Rock - 2LP (Nonesuch/Warner) Black Lips ft. Kesha - They’s a Person of the World - 7” (Fire Records) Black Sabbath - Evil Woman, Don't Play Your Games with Me / Wicked World / Paranoid / The Wizard 2x7” (WarneBMG) Tim Blake - Crystal Machine (blue vinyl) (LMLCulture Factory) Blanck Mass - Blanck Mass - 2LP (Sacred Bones) BMX Bandits - C86 - LP (Glass Modern) Marc Bolan & T. Rex - Shadowhead: 1972-1976 - LP (Demon) Bombs of Hades - Phantom Bell (2LP) (red vinyl, etched side) (Black Lodge) David Bowie - ChangesNowBowie (LP or CD) (Warner) David Bowie - I’m Only Dancing (Soul Tour 74) - 2LP or 2CD (Warner) Boys Next Door - Door, Door: 40th Anniversary (red vinyl) (Rhino Australia) Broken Bones - Dem Bones - LP (Fall Out/Jungle) Peter Bruntnell - Normal For Bridgwater Jake Bugg - Saviours of the City - 7” (RCA) Sam Burton - Nothing Touches Me - 7” (Tomkins Square) Canned Heat & John Lee Hooker - Hooker 'n Heat (yellow/brown vinyl) (LMLR) Caribou - Swim: 10th Anniversary Edition - 2LP (City Slang) Brandi Carlile - Black Hole Sun/Searching With My Good Eye Closed - 12” (Elektra) Frank Carter & the Rattlesnakes - End of Suffering Live to Vinyl - 10” (International Death Cult) Ron Carter - Foursight Stockholm - 2LP (IN+OUT Records) Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine - 1992: The Love Album - LP (Chrysalis) Neal Casal - Fade Away Diamond Time - 2LP (Not Fade Away) Johnny Cash - Classic Cash: Early Mixes [early mix of 1988 album] - 2LP (Mercury/UMe) Michael Chapman - Americana - LP (Mooncrest) The Charlatans - The Charlatans UK vs. The Chemical Brothers - LP (Beggars Banquet) The Charlatans - Live It Like You Love It - 2LP (UMC/Island) Charli XCX - Vroom Vroom - 12” color (Atlantic) Cheap Trick - Out To Get You [live 1977] - 2LP (Legacy/CMG) The Chemical Brothers - Surrender to Love - 12” (Virgin EMI) Don Cherry - Cherry Jam - 10” (Gearbox) Cherry Ghost - Beneath This Burning Shoreline - 12” (Heavenly Recordings) Cherry Ghost - Live at the Trades Club - 12” (Heavenly Recordings) Christine and the Queens - La Vita Nuova: Sequences 2 et 3 - 7” gatefold (Because Music) Chromeo - Needy Girl: Zdar Dub / Paper Faces Remix /Album Version // Lifelike Remix / Bloc Party Remix / Instrumental (eOne Music) The Church - Gold Afternoon Fix (gold vinyl) (Real Gone Music) Gary Clark, Jr ft. Andra Day - Pearl Cadillac - 12”/etching (Warner) The Claude Diallo Situation - I Found A New Home - LP (Dot Time Records) Clearlight Symphony - Clear Light Symphony (pink vinyl) (LMLCulture Factory) Clutch - The Obelisk - 17LP box w/mat and signed litho (Weathermakers) MJ Cole - Madrugada Remixes - 12” (Classics & Jazz UK) Shirley Collins and Davy Graham - Folk Roots, New Routes - LP (Universal/Decca) Michel Colombier - Capot Pointu - LP (PlayTime) The Comet Is Coming - Imminent - 12” (Decca) Charly Coombes - All in the End Is Harvest - LP (Finyl Vinyl) Alice Cooper - Live at the Apollo Theatre, Glasgow, 19-02-82 (Rhino/Warner) Ivan Conti - Poison Fruit (LP+7”) (green vinyl) (Far Out Recordings) (UK) Corporation of One - So Where Are You/The Real Life - 12” (Smokin’) Nev Cottee - Stations - LP (Wonderful Sound) Cradle - The History - LP (Modern Harmonic) Mikal Cronin - Switched-On Seeker - LP (Merge) Keith Cross and Peter Ross - Bored Civilians (Universal/Decca) The Cure - Bloodflowers: 20th Anniversary - 2LP (UMe/Polydor) The Cure - Seventeen Seconds: 40th Anniversary - LP picture disc (UMe/Polydor) Denzel Curry - Bulls on Parade/I Against - 7” (Loma Vista) Cybotron - Colossus - LP (Dual Planet) Czarface - Czarface & The Return of Metal Face - LP (Silver Age) Holgr Czukay, Jaki Liebzeit, Jah Wobble - A Full Circle - 2x10” (Gronland) D-Mob - We Call It Acieeed Remixes - 12” (London Records) Etienne Daho - Surf - 12” (Warner Music France) Dalvanius and The Fascinations/Golden Harvest - Voodoo Lady/I Need Your Love - 7” (Warm) Damaged Bug - Bug On Yonkers - LP (Castle Face) The Damned - Fiendish Shadows: 40th Anniversary - LP color vinyl (Cleopatra) Dave Davies - Rock Bottom: Live at The Bottom Line - 2LP (Green Amp/Red River) Miles Davis - Double Image: Directions in Music (Selections from The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions) - 2LP (CMG/Legacy) Divina De Campo - Decoded - 12” (PEG Records) Def Leppard ft. Brian May and Ian Hunter - Rock ‘N Roll Hall of Fame - LP (UMe/Virgin EMI) Mac DeMarco - Other Here Comes The Cowboy Demos - LP purple (Macs Record Label) Devil's Witches - Guns, Drugs, and Filthy Pictures 10" (Majestic Mountain) Destiny’s Child - Say My Name - 12” picture disc (CMG/Legacy) The Detroit Cobras - Feel Good/etching - 7” (Wild Honey) The Dickies - Banana Splits: The Tra La La Song 7" (Cleopatra) Dinosaur Jr. - Swedish Fist: Live in Stockholm - LP (Cherry Red) Dio - Annica - 12” picture disc (BMG/Niji Entertainment) Dissection - Somberlain (2LP) (blue vinyl, etched side) (Black Lodge) DJ Cam Quartet - The Essential - LP (Attytude Records) Doctors of Madness - Dark Times - LP (Molecular Scream) The Doors - The Soft Parade: Doors-Only Mix - LP (Rhino/Elektra) Down N Outz - The Music Box - 12” (UMe) Dr. John - Remedies - LP color vinyl (Get On Down) Barry Dransfield - Barry Dransfield - LP (Glass Modern) The Durutti Column - Idiot Savants (white vinyl) (180gr) (Demon) The Durutti Column - Vini Reilly/WomadLive - 2LP + 7” (Factory Benelux) Steve Earle - Times Like These/It’s About Blood - 7” (New West Records) Clint Eastwood & General Saint - Stop That Train - 7” glow -in-the-dark (Greensleeves) Luiz Eca y Familia Sagrada - La nueva onda del Brasil - LP (Vinilissimo) Eddie & The Hot Rods - Get Your Rocks Off (2LP) (Jungle/Skydog) Terry Edwards - Stop Trying to Sell Me Back My Past - 2LP (Sartorial Records) Embryo - Embryos Rache - LP color vinyl (Loneos) Embryo - Opal - LP color vinyl (Loneos) Emerald Web - Valley of the Birds - LP (Trading Places) Emerson, Lake, and Palmer - Live At Waterloo Field, Stanhope, New Jersey, US, 31st July 1992 Eminem - My Name Is/Bad Guys Always Die - 7” (Universal) Brian Eno - Rams - LP (UMe) Erasure - Blue Savannah - 12” (Mute) Esplendor Geometrico - Necrosis en la playa - 7” (Geometrik) Bill Evans - Some Other Time: The Lost Session from The Black Forest - 2LP (Resonance Records) The Ex - All Corpses Smell the Same - 7” (Superior Viaduct) Exit North - Book of Romance and Dust - 2LP (Exit North Records) Ezra Collective - Clash of the Galazies - 12” (Enter the Jungle) The Fall - Austurbæjarbíó Reykjavik Live 1983 - 2LP (Cherry Red) The Fall - Cerebral Caustic: 25th Anniversary - LP color vinyl (Demon) Fallen Angels - Paradise Lost - 2LP + poster + book (Sunbeam) Fatboy Slim - Sunset (Bird Of Prey) 20th Anniversary Edition - 12" (SKINT) Feeder - Feeling a Moment / Pushing the Senses - 12" (Echo) The Feminine Complex - Livin’ Love - LP or CD (Modern Harmonic) Field Music - Measure - 2LP (Memphis Industries) Lee Fields - Let’s Get a Groove On - LP (Daptone) Fight - A Small Deadly Space (gatefold) (red and black marble vinyl) (Real Gone Music) Craig Finn - All These Perfect Crosses - 2LP (Partisan) Kelly Finnigan - The Tales People Tell - LP (Colemine Records) Flamin’ Groovies - Live at the Whiskey A Go-Go ‘79 - LP (Revenge Records) Flawes - Highlights - LP (Red Bull Records) Fleetwood Mac - Before The Beginning Vol 2 (3LP) (4/17 release date) Fleetwood Mac - The Alternate Rumours - LP (Rhino/Warner) The Fleshtones - Face of the Screaming Werewolf - LP or CD (Yep Roc Records) Blaze Foley - Live at the Austin Outhouse - LP + 7” (End of an EaLost Art) Josephine Foster - This Coming Gladness - LP (Fire Records) Fraternity - Livestock - LP (Reel Music) The Frumpies - Frumpie One Piece/Frumpies Forever - LP + 7” (Kill Roc Stars) Future Sound of London - Cascade 2020 - LP (FSOL London) Fuzztones - Lysergic Emanations - LP picture disc (Easy Action) Serge Gainsbourg - Ces Petit Riens - LP (Ina) Galaxie 500 - Copenhagen - 2LP/etching (202020 Records) Rory Gallagher - Cleveland Calling LP - LP (Chess/UMC) The Game - Born 2 Rap - 3LP (eOne Music) Taana Gardner - Taana Gardner & Kenton Nix’s West End Works: Expanded - 2LP (Salsoul) Gaston - My Queen - LP (Soul Brother Records) Gemma Ray - Lights Out Zoltar! - LP pink (Bronzerat) Gene - Rising for Sunset: 20th Anniversary - 2LP (Demon) Giant Sand - Ramp - 2LP (Fire Records) Freddie Gibbs & Madlib - Pinata - LP (Madlib Invazion) Girl Band - Vicar Street Live - 2LP (Rough Trade Records) Philip Glass - The Essential - 4LP (Music On Vinyl) Glass Animals w/ Denzel Curry - Tokyo Drifting - 12” picture disc (Wolf Tone) Goblin - Greatest Hits Vol. 1 - 2LP (AMS) Golden Earring - Radar Love (original UK/Mootan LP version) - 7” (Music On Vinyl) Goldie Lookin Chain - Original Pyrite Material - LP gold (1983 Records) Gong - Live! At Sheffield 1974 - 2LP (LMLR) Gorgan City - Realm - 12” (Virgin EMI) Gorillaz - D-Sides (3LP) (WarneParlophone) Gorillaz - G-Sides (2LP) (WarneParlophone) Ellie Goulding - Lights: 10th Anniversary - LP (Polydor) Davy Graham - The Holly Kaleidoscope (Universal/Decca) Grateful Dead - Buffalo 5/9/77 - 5LP (Warner) Gray - Never Gonna Leave New York City - 12” (Anasyrma) David Gray - Please Forgive Me - 12” pink (IHT Records) Juliette Greco - Jolie Mome: La muse de Saint Germain des Pres - 2LP (Poppydisc) Al Green - Green Is Blues - LP, green and blue (Fat Possum) Tom Grennan - This is the Place - 7” (Insanity) The Grid - Floatation - 12” clear (Chemical Alley) The Groundhogs - Split - 2LP red (Fire Records) Grouplove - Broken Angel (Warner) Guided By Voices - Hold On Hope - 10” clear (TVT) Guided By Voices - Vampire on Titus - LP yellow/gold (Scat Records) Marika Hackman - Any Human Friend - 10” (Virgin EMI) Terry Hall - Home - 12” (Heavenly Recordings) Johnny Hallyday - Le Plus Grands Succes - LP five-color vinyl (LMLR) Halo - Let Me Do It/Life - 12” (Expansion) Hanterhir - Schizophrenia/Dancing Out in Space - 7” (Easy Action) Paul Hardcastle - 19: The Mixes (35th Anniversary Edition) - LP (Chrysalis) Vladimir Harkonnen - Vlad Smash (Power It Up) Hatchie & The Pains of Being Pure at Heart - Sometimes Always - 7” (Heavenly Records) Hawkwind - At the BBC 1972 (September 28 1972) - 2LP (Rhino) Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness & Charm - 2LP clear (Atomhenge) Kuumba-Toudie Heath - Kwaida - LP (Reel Music) The Heptones - Back on Top - LP red (Burning Sounds) The High - Martin Hannett Sessions (Unreleased Martin Hannett Sessions for Somewhere Soon) - LP (Vinyl Revival) High Frequency - Summertime - 7” (Nia) Aashid Himons - The Gods and I - 12” (Music for Dream/Fyraften Musik) Hiss Golden Messenger - Let the Light of the World Open Your Eyes - 7” (Merge) Loleatta Holloway - Cry To Me - LP (Tidal Waves Music) Hope In High Water - Bonfire and Pine - LP (Fish Records) Hugh Hopper - 1984 (red vinyl)(LMLCulture Factory) Hootie and the Blowfish - Live at Nick's Fat City 1995 2LP (Warner) The Hotrats - Turn Ons: 10th Anniversary Edition - 10" color vinyl [100 with signed print] (Demon) Human Race - Human Race/Grey Boy - 7” (Gem Records) Humble Pie - Official Bootleg Collection, Vol. 2 - 2LP (HNE) Hunny - Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. - LP blue (Epitaph) Ike Yard - Night After Night - 12” red (Superior Viaduct) Implosion - 2020 - 2LP (Trading Places) Inhaler - It Won’t Always Be Like This/Oklahoma (Late Night Edition) - 7” (Polydor) Inhaler - We Have To Move On/Ice Cream Sundae - 7” (Polydor) Inhaler - My Honest Face (45rpm)/There’s No Other Place (33rpm) - 10” (Polydor) The Inn House Crew - Something Special - LP (Room in the Sky Records) Ken Ishii ft. Pac-Man - Join the Pac - 7” (iam8bit) J Hus - Big Conspiracy - 2LP (Black Butter) Bob James - Once Upon A Time: The Lost 1965 New York Studio Sessions - LP (Resonance Records) Bert Jansch - Live in Italy - 2LP (Earth Recordings) Jansen/Barbieri/Karn - Playing in a Room With People - 2LP (Medium Productions) The Jazz Butcher - Big Planet Scary Planet - LP (Fire Records) The Jazz Butcher - Condition Blue - LP (Fire Records) The Jazz Butcher - Cult of th eBasement - LP (Fire Records) The Jazz Butcher - Fishcoteque - LP (Fire Records) Jethro Tull - Stormwatch 2 (Warner) Elton John - Elton John: 50th Anniversary Edition - 2LP purple (UMe/Mercury) J.J. Johnson and Kai Winding - J&K: Stonebone (UMe) Linton Swesi Johnson - Bass Culture/LKJ In Dub - 2LP (UMC/Island) Daniel Johnston - The End is Never Really Over - 2LP (Feraltone) [features Artistic Vice and 1990] Samantha Jones - A Girl Named Sam - LP (Trading Places) Wizz Jones - Wizz Jones: Mono and Stereo Mixes - LP (Sunbeam) Judas Priest - British Steel - 2LP picture disc (CMG/Legacy) June of 44 - Engine Takes to the Water - LP (Touch & Go) June of 44 - Tropics and Meridians - LP (Touch & Go) Jungle Brothers - Because I Got It Like That - 7” (Idlers) Damien Jurado - Birds Tricked Into the Trees/From Devils To Davis - 7” (Loose) David Keenan - Alchemy & Prose: Live Recordings - 12” (Rubyworks) Dermot Kennedy - Without Fear - LP (Island) Tim Key - Tim Key’s Late Night Poetry Programme - 2LP color vinyl (Demon) Phoebe Killdeer - Fade Out Lines - LP (Kwaidan) Killing Joke - Laugh at Your Peril: Live in Berlin - 3LP black and pink (Killing Joke Records) Killing Joke - Turn to Red - 12” red (Turn to Red Records) The King James Version - He’s Forever (Amen) - 7” (Soul Kitchen) The Kinks - The Kink Kronikles - 2LP red vinyl (Warner) Klaxons - Surfing the Void: 10th Anniversary Edition - 2LP (UMC/Polydor) Knight Area - D-Day - 2LP black and white (Butler) Sarathy Korwar - Otherland - 12” transparent green (The Leaf Label) Kraftwerk - 1 (50th Anniversary Edition) - LP (True Choice Recordings) Kraftwerk - 2 - LP (True Choice Recordings) Fela Ransome Kuti and His Highlife Rakers - Fela’s First: The Complete 1959 Melodisc Session - 10” (Cadillac Records) Wolfgang Lackerschmid and Chet Baker - Ballads for Two - LP (Dot Time Records) Laneous - Elsewhere/Flawless - 7” (Soul Has No Tempo) kd lang - Angel with a Lariat - LP red (Warner) kd lang - Drag - 2LP color vinyl (Warner) Larkins - Hit and Run - 10” EP (Good Soldier Records) Jamie Lawson - Last Night Stars - LP (Lookout Mountain) The Leaf Library - About Minerals - LP (Where Its At is Where You Are) Jenny Lee - I’m So Tired/Some Things Last a Longtime - 12” (Caroline) Thomas Leer - Emotional Hardware - CD (Smitten Kitten) Michel Legrand - Jazz on Film - LP (Moochin’ About) John Lennon - Instant Karma 2020 Ultimate Remix - 7” (UMe) Lil' Kim - 9 (Deluxe LP) (Ltd) Alison Limerick - Where Love Lives/Frankie Knuckles remix - 12” (Arista) Alfredo Linares y su Sonora - Yo traigo boogaloo - LP (Vampisoul) The Live Band - A Cance for Hope - 7” (The Sound of Brooklyn) Local Natives/Overcoats - When Am I Gonna Lose You - 7” (Loma Vista Recordings) The London Suede - London Suede - LP (Demon) Loop - Sevens - 3x7” (Reactor) Loose Joints - Is It All Over My Face: 40th Anniversary Edition - 2x12” (West End) Los Amigos Invisibles - Arepa 3000 - 2LP (Luaka Bop) Lothar & The Hand People - Machines: Amherst 1969 - LP + CD (Modern Harmonic) The Lottery Winners - Love Will Keep Us Together - 7” (Modern Sky) Love Frame Tragedy - Five Songs to Briefly Fill the Void - 10” EP (Good Soldier Records) The Lovely Eggs - I Am A ***** - LP picture disc (Egg Records) Marcy Luarks and Classic Touch - Electric Murder - LP (Kalita Records) Corb Lund - Cover Your Tracks EP - 12” EP (New West Records) Kenny Lynch - Half the Day’s Gone and We Haven’t Earned a Penny / Ashley Beedle Remix - 7” (Satril) Kirsty MacColl - Other People's Hearts: B-Sides 1988-1989 - LP clear (Demon) Madness - Work, Rest, and Play - 2x7” (Union Square/BMG) Magic in Threes - Stay in Your Lane - 7” (King Underground) Magnetic System - Godzilla/Escape - 7” (AMS) Magnum - Fully Loaded - LP (Phoenix) Manic Street Preachers - Done & Dusted - 12” (CMG/Legacy) Mansun - The Dead Flowers Reject - LP (Kscope) The Mar-Keys - Last Night EP - 10” EP (Vinyl Revival) Bob Marley - Redemption Song - 12” clear vinyl (UMe) Nick Mason - See Emily Play/Vegetable Man - 12” (Legacy) Sammy Massamba - 1990: Beni Soit Ton Nom - LP (SM Productions) John Massoni & Sonic Boom - The Sundowner Sessions - LP (Space Age Recordings) Paul McCartney - McCartney: 50th Anniversary Edition - LP (180g, half-speed mastered) (UMe/Capitol) Tommy McGee - Now That I Have You - 12” (TMG Records) Declan McKenna - Beautiful Faces/The Key to Life on Earth - 7” (Columbia) Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell II: Back Into Hell - 2LP picture disc (UMe/Virgin EMI) The Meat Puppets - The Meat Puppets - 10” (Megaforce) Mellow Candle - Swaddling Songs (Universal) Melt Yourself Down - Born in the ManoIt Is What It Is (IDLES Remix) - 7” (Decca) Membranes - Kiss Ass Godhead - LP pink (Glass Modern) Menswear - Nuisance: 25th Anniversary Edition - LP (Demon) The Menzingers - Chamberlain Waits - LP color vinyl (Red Scare Industries) Metal Mirror - English Booze/Rock ‘n’ Roll Ain’t Never Gonna Leave You - 7” (On the Dole Records) The Meteors - Teenage Heart - LP color vinyl (Music On Vinyl) Metronomy - Metronomy Forever Remixes - 12” (Because Music) Metronomy & Clara Luciani - La Baie/La Grenade - 7” (Because Music) Mew - And the Glass Handed Kites: 15th Anniversary Edition - 2LP (Music On Vinyl) Mickey and The Soul Generation - Iron Leg/Chocolate - 7” (GCP) Mickey and The Soul Generation - How Good is Good/Get Down Brother - 7” (Mr. G) Mickey and Them - U.F.O./Hey, Brother Man (GCP) Midland - Live at the Palomino - LP (Big Machine) Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um Redux - 2LP (Get On Down) Thelonious Monk - Palais Des Beaux-Arts (Tidal Waves Music) Moonchild - The Truth/Run Away - 7” red/blue splatter (Tru Thoughts) Moonspell - Memorial (red vinyl) (Rastilho Records) Bobby Moore/Sweet Music - (Call Me Your) Anything/I Get Lifted - LP (Soul Brother Records) Christy Moore - Prosperous - LP (Tara Music) Kip Moore - Slowheart/Underground - LP + 10” (Snakefarm Records) Kevin Morby - Oh Mon Dieu:1 Live a Paris - 2LP (Dead Oceans) Giorgio Moroder ft. Kylie Minogue - Right Here Right Now remixes - 12” grey (Good For You Records) Morrissey - Honey, You Know Where To Find Me/Fantastic Bird/You Should Have Been Nice to Me - 12" picture disc (BMG) Chuck Mosley - First Hellos and Last Goodbyes - LP (blocGLOBAL) Motorhead - Ace of Spades/Dirty Love - 7" shaped picture disc (Warner) Mott the Hoople - Golden Age of Rock n Roll (blue vinyl) (Madfish) Bob Mould - Circle Of Friends - 2LP clear vinyl) (Demon) Mouth Congress - Ahhh The Pollution - 7” (Captured Tracks) Mungo’s Hi Fi ft. Marina P, Dennis Alcapone & Tippa Irie - The Beat Goes SKA! - 7” (Scotch Bonnet Records) The Murder Capital - Love, Love, Love/On Twisted Ground - 12” (Human Season Records) Roisin Murphy - Incapable - 12” picture disc (Skint) Mush - Great Artisanal Formats - 7” (Memphis Industries) My Chemical Romance - Life on the Murder Scene - 12” (Reprise) My Life Story - The Rose The Sea - 12” (Exilophone Records) Nahko and Medicine for the People - Take Your Power Back (Live) - 10” (Side One Dummy Records) Qasim Naqvi - Beta - LP (Erased Tapes Nas - God’s Son - 2LP color vinyl (Get On Down) Milton Nascimento - Ultimo Trem - 2LP red (Far Out Recordings Nazareth - Love Hurts/This Flight Tonight - 10” (Salvo) Fred Neil - 38 MacDougal - LP green (Delmore) The New Clarence Reid - Cadillac Annie/Tired Blood - 7” (Phil-LA of Soul) New Order - Peel Sessions - 12” (Rhino) Nihilist - Carnal Leftovers (white vinyl) (Black Lodge) Nite People - P.M. - LP (Trading Places) North Sea Radio Orchestra - I A Moon - LP (The Household Mark) Notorious BIG - It Was All A Dream - 9LP box (Rhino) Gary Numan with Skaparis Orchestra - When the Sky Came Down Live - 3LP (BMG) The Obsessed - Incarnate (Ultimate Edition) - LP gatefold or CD (Blues Funeral) Ocean Colour Scene - One from the Modern - 2LP (UMC/Island) Oh-Ok - The Complete Reissue - LP (white vinyl) (Hhbtm Records) OHL - Oktoberrevolution (Power It Up) Ol’ Dirty Bastard - Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version - 9x7” (Rhino/Elektra) Operation Ivy - Energy - LP (Epitaph) OST - A Haunting Strip of Marshland: OST for Ness (Drew Mulholland) (Castles In Space) OST - Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me - LP (Maverick) OST - Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery - 2LP (Disney) OST - Austin Powers In Goldmember - 2LP (Maverick) OST - Black Mirror: Smithereens (Ryuichi Sakamoto) - LP (Music On Vinyl) OST - C.H.U.D. II: Bud the C.H.U.D. - LP (Terror Vision) OST - The Cinematic Orchestra/London Met Orchestra - The Crimson Wing: Mystery of the Flamingoes - 2LP pink (Disney) OST - Henri Crolla & Andre Hodeir - Jazz on Film… - LP (Moochin’ About) OST- Dennis Hopper’s The Last Movie - LP (Earth Recordings) OST - Doctor Who - Massacre - 2LP “Parisian Blaze Orange” (Demon) OST - Dracula/The Curse of Frankenstein (James Bernard) - 2LP OST - Fistful of Dollars (Ennio Morricone) - 10” (BTF) OST - For a Few Dollars More (Ennio Morricone) - 10” (AMS) OST - Francis Lai - Made in France - LP (PlayTime) OST - Fuktronic (Jimmy Urine and Serj Tankian) - LP (Music On Vinyl) OST - The Godfather (Nino Rota) - 7” white (Silva Screen) OST - The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly (Ennio Morricone) - LP (AMS) OST - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: The Original (Demon Records UK) OST - La Planete Sauvage (Alain Goraguer 1973) - LP yellow (Superior Viaduct) OST - The Last Porno Show - LP (Country Club) OST - Last Tango in Paris (Gato Barbieri) - LP rose (AMS) OST - Metroland (Mark Knopfler) - LP (UMC-Mercury) OST - Monty Python and the Holy Grail - LP picture disc (UMC/Virgin EMI) OST - The Musical Anthology of His Dark Materials (Lorne Balfe) - 2LP (Silva Screen) OST - Once Upon a Time in the West (Ennio Morricone) - LP (BTF) OST - Paw Patrol - 7” EP dog bone white (Enjoy the Ride) OST - Peur Sur la Ville (Ennio Morricone 1975) - 2LP (WeWantSounds/Modulor) OST - Phenomenon - 2LP (Warner) Piero Piccioni, Armando Trovaioli, Carlo Rustichelli, Nino Rota - Jazz On Film… - 2LP (Moochin’ About) OST - Serpico (Mikis Theodorakis 1973) (WeWantSounds/Modulor) OST - Shaft in Africa (Johnny Pate) - 2x7” (Dynamite Cuts) OST - Synecdoche New York (Jon Brion) - LP (Fire Soundtracks) OST - Terrahawks - LP (Gerry Anderson) OST - The Truth and the Light: Music from The X Files - 12” glow-in-the-dark green (Warner) OST - The Turning: Kate’s Diary (Music On Vinyl) OST - The Virgin Suicides - LP (Rhino/Ryko) The Pale Fountains - Longshot for Your Love - LP (Marina) Pale Saints - Mrs. Dolphin - LP (4AD) Parabellum - Post Mortem Live - 2LP red and black splatter vinyl (LMLR) Paradise Lost - Live at Rockpalast - 2LP (Music On Vinyl) Paranoid London - Paranoid London - LP (Paranoid London) Bobby Parker - Soul of the Blues - LP (Rhythm and Blues) Robert Parker - I Caught You in a Lie - 7” (Nola) The Pastels - Advice to the Graduate/Ship to Shore - 7” (Domino) Pennywise - The Fuse - LP orange and black (Epitaph) Carl Perkins - Live In Paris - LP blue (LMLR) Lee Perry and Black Ark Players - Guidance - 12” (VP Records) Lee “Scratch” Perry and the Upsetters - Super Ape Variant - LP color vinyl (Get On Down) Lee “Scratch” Perry & Daniel Boyle ft. Max Romeo - Horror Zone - 12” (Upsetter) Pigbag - Dr. Heckle and Mr. Jive - 2LP (Call of the Void) The Pineapple Thief - Uncovering the Tracks - LP (Kscope) Pink Floyd - Arnold Layne (Live at Syd Barrett Tribute, 2007) - 7”/etching (Parlophone/Legacy) Pinkfong - Baby Shark - 7” EP (SmartStudyCo) Pluto - Journey’s End - LP (Morgan Blue Town) The Pogues - At the BBC 1984 - LP (Rhino) Marvin Pontiac (John Lurie) - The Asylum Tapes - LP (Northern Spy) Iggy Pop - Kiss My Blood - 3LP/DVD/poster - (LMLR) Iggy Pop and the Stooges - Russian Melodia - 7” (replica of French bootleg) (Revenge Records) Natalie Prass - Natalie Prass - LP + 7” (Spacebomb) Predatur - Seen You Here - 7” (On the Dale Records) Elvis Presley - The Rock & Roll Collection - 5xEP (LMLR) [unofficial] Elvis Presley - Elvis Prohibited - 2LP (LMLR) [unofficial] Pretenders - Live! At the Paradise Theater, Boston 1980 - LP (Warner) Primal Scream - Loaded: 30th Anniversary Editin - 12” (CMG/Legacy) Prince Fatty - The Model ft. Shniece Mcmenanin & Horseman - 7” (Evergreen Recordings) Ian Prowse - The People Not The Crown - 10” (Kitchen Disco Records) Prince - Sign O' The Times - 2LP (Warner) Tito Puente - Dance Mania Volumes 1 and 2 - 2LP (Poppydisc) Asha Puthli - Asha Puthli - LP (Mr. Bongo) Sir Joe Quarterman & Free Soul - Sir Joe Quarterman & Free Soul (Mr. Bongo) Quicksilver Messenger Service - Happy Trails - LP yellow (LMLCulture Factory) The RAH Band - Producers Choice - 2LP (Atjazz) Raised Fist - Sound of the Republic - LP (Burning Heart Records) Ramones - It’s Alive II - 2LP (Rhino) Rare Pleasure - Let Me Down Easy - 7” (South Street Disco) Raw Material - Raw Material - 2LP (Sunbeam) Roy Redmond - Ain’t That Terrible/A Change is Gonna Come - 7” (Harlem Shake) Lou Reed/John Cale - Songs for Drella: 30th Anniversary Edition - 2LP/etching (Rhino/Warner) Winston Reedy and the Inn House Crew - Black Pearl - LP (Room in the Sky) The Replacements - The Complete Incarcerated Live - 3LP (Rhino) The Residents - Icky Flix - 2LP orange and yellow (New Ralph) Gruff Rhys - (Don’t) Welcome The Plague As a Blessing - LP (Rough Trade Records) Keith Richards - Hate It When You Leave/Key to the Highway - 7” (BMG/Mindless) Minnie Riperton - Les FleuOh By the Way - 7” (Selector Series) Robyn - Robyn - 2LP (UMC/Island) Pete Rock - Petestrumentals 3 - 2LP color vinyl (Tru Soul Records) The Rolling Stones - Metamorphosis - LP (UMC/ABKCO) Tal Ross - Giant Shirley - 2LP (Tidal Waves Music) Keith Rowe & Mark Wastell - Live at I-and-E (cover art by David Sylvian) - LP white (Confront Recordings) Roxy Music - Roxy Music: Steven Wilson Stereo Mix - 2LP (UMC/Virgin EMI) Freya Roy - Ahlke - LP (Vinyl Hunter Records) Gene Russell - New Direction (transparent clear with heavy black swirl vinyl) (with insert) (Real Gone Music) Sasha - Scene Delete: The Remixes - 2LP (Night Time Stories) Sea Girls - Call Me Out - 12” (Polydor) Shakespeares Sister - #3 - 2LP (Do Yourself In) Shakespeares Sister - You’re History - 12” (London Records) Anoushka Shankar - Love Letters Ravi Shankar with George Harrison - Chants of India - 2LP red (BMG) Sandie Shaw - Reviewing the Situation - 2LP (UMC/Virgin EMI) Don Shinn - Departures - LP (Sunbeam) Don Shinn - Temples with Prophets - LP (Sunbeam) Situation ft. Andre Espeut - Beyond Compare Laroye Remixes - 7” (Situationism) Edith Sitwell/William Walton - Facade - 10” (Moochin’ About) Skatt Bros. - Walk the Night - 12” (Spaziale) Skid Row - Slave to the Grind - 2LP red (Rhino) Skye - Keeping Secrets - LP white (Skye) Skyzoo & Pete Rock - Retropolitan Instrumentals - LP orange splatter (Mello Music Group) Slint - Breadcrumb Trail/Good Morning Captain - 12” (Touch & Go) Slowdive - Slowdive - 12” (Music On Vinyl) Sam Smith - I Feel Love - 12” (Capitol) Chris Smither - More from the Levee - LP (Signature Sounds) Snapped Ankles - 21 Metres to Hebden Bridge - LP (The Leaf Label) So Solid Crew - 21 Seconds EP - 12” EP (UMe/Craft Recordings) The Soft Boys - I Wanna Destroy You/Near the Soft Boys - 2x7” (Yep Rock Records) Soft Cell - Mutant Moments EP - 10” (Big Frock) SOHN - SOHN Live with the Metropole Orkest - 2LP (4AD) Soul Asylum - Hurry Up and Wait (exclusive 2LP+7") (Blue Elan) Spacehog - Resident Alien (2LP) (cream with pink splatter "British passport" vinyl) (Real Gone Music) Spacemen 3 - Threebie 3 - LP (Space Age Recordings) Richard Spaven - Spaven’s 5ive - LP (Jazz Refreshed) Britney Spears - Oops! I Did It Again Expanded - LP (Legacy/CMG) The Specials - Dubs - 10” (Two Tone) Spectrum - Forever Alien - 2LP (Space Age Recordings) Devon Sproule - The Pink Noise - 12” (Tin Angel Records) Stalawa ft. Junior Demus - Trad On - 7” (Foreign Mind) Marker Starling/Ha Ha Collective - Slick Rock - 7” (Tin Angel Records) Status Quo - Ma Kelly's Greasy Spoon - LP yellow and white “fried egg” (WarneSanctuary) Cat Stevens - But I Might Die Tonight/alternate version - 7” blue (UMe/Island) Storm Gordon - Diamond in the Heart - 12” EP (Wanderlust Productions) Jackie Stoudemire/Al Stewart - Dancing - 12” (TAP Records) Suede - See You in the Next Life - LP (Demon) Sugarhill Gang - Sugarhill Gang - LP (Music On Vinyl) Sumy - Funkin’ in Your Mind Parts 1 and 2 - 12” (Music On Vinyl) Sun Ra - Egypt ‘71 - 5LP (Strut) Supergrass - Caught By the Fuzz - 10” EP (Echo) Surfer Blood - Astro Coast: 10 Years Anniversary - 2LP (Kanine Records) Neil Swainson Quintet - 49th Parallel - LP (Reel to Real) The Sweet Inspirations - The Sweet Inspirations - LP gold (Reel Music) Gabor Szabo - Dreams w/ bonus tracks (gatefold) (Ebalunga!!! Records) (4/17 release date) T La Rock & Jazzy J - It’s Yours - 7” (Partytime) Jacqueline Taieb - Lolita Chick ‘68 - LP (Mad French) Tailenders - #tailendersoftheworlduniteandtakeover - 7” (Bit Spicy That) Tangerine Dream - Phaedra: 2019 Edition w/ bonus tracks - 2LP (UMC/Virgin EMI) Tangerine Dream - Tyger (clear blue vinyl) (LMLR) Willie Tee - Teasing You Again/Your Love, My Love Together - 7” (Gatur) Tegan and Sara - Tonight We’re in the Dark Seeing Colors - LP violet and black splatter (Warner) The Telescopes - Altered Perception - 2LP (Space Age Recordings) Television Personalities - Some Kind of Happiness: Singles 1995-1999 - 2LP (Fire Records) Tennis System - Fear of Knowing - LP (Graveface) The Teskey Brothers - Live at the Forum - LP (Classics & Jazz UK) That Will Be Lunch - Play That Funky Music White Boy The The - I WANT 2 B U - 7” (Cineola) Thin Lizzy - Chinatown - 2LP (Mercury/UMC) Throwing Muses - Purgatory/Paradise - 2LP (Fire Records) Johnny Thunders and Wayne Kramer - Gang War (2LP) (Jungle/Skydog) Timeless Legend - Synchronized - LP (Expansion Records) TLC - Waterfalls/Creep - 12” (CMG/Legacy) Tom Tom Club - Genius of Live - LP (Nacional Records) Peter Tosh - Buk-In-Hamm Palace - 12” (Spaziale Recordings) Toto - Live in Tokyo 1982 - LP (CMG/Legacy) Touchdown - Ease Your Mind/Aquadance - 12” (Record Shack) Tyler The Creator - Cherry Bomb - 2LP red (Legacy) Tyler The Creator - Cherry Bomb Instrumentals - 2LP pink (Legacy) Tyrannosaurus Rex - Unicorn - LP color (UMC/Polydor) U2 - 11 O’Clock Tick Tock - 12” (UMC) UFO - Live in Youngstown '78 - 2LP (Chrysalis) Ultravox - Sleepwalk: 2020 Stereo Mix - 12” (Chrysalis) Underground Solution - Luv Dancin: 30th Anniversary - 12” (Strictly Rhythm) Unrighteous Brothers - Unchained Melody/You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling Marcus Upbeat/Laurel Aitken - Blue Beat is Back in Town/Boogie Rock - 7” (Blue Beat) The Valentines - 1967-1970 - LP (Demon) V/A - BBC Radiophonic Workshop: Four Albums 1968-1978 - 6CD (Silva Screen) V/A - The Beat Scene - 2LP (Universal) V/A - Behind the Dykes: Beat, Blues and Psychedelic Nuggets from the Lowlands - 2LP (Music On Vinyl) V/A - The Blues Scene - 2LP (Universal) V/A - Brazil 45s Box Set - 5x7” (Mr. Bongo) V/A - Brazil Funk Power: Brazilian Funk and Samba Soul - 10x7” box (Soul Jazz Records) V/A - Champion Classics - 12” box (Champion Records) V/A - Cleveland Confidential - LP (Superior Viaduct) V/A - Dance Craze - LP (Two Tone) V/A - Detroit A-Go-Go - 10” (Detroit A-Go-Go) V/A - Detroit Punk Archive Presents The End of the Night: 1976-1983 - 2LP (Hold Fast) V/A - Doo Wop (Le Chante Du Monde) V/A - Flow - LP (Mercury KX) V/A - The Girls Scene - 2LP (Universal) V/A - Hi Tide Groove - LP (Fat Possum) V/A - Hillbillies in Hell Volume X - LP (Iron Mountain Analogue Research) V/A - Jet Star Meets Hospital - LP (Hospital Records) V/A - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang - 2x7” (Where Its At Is Where You Are) V/A - The Ladies if Too a Slow to Disco Vol. 2 - 2LP (How Do You Are?) V/A - The Land Of Sensations & Delights: The Pop-Psych Sounds of White Whale Records, 1965-1970 - 2LP or CD (Varese Sarabande/Craft Recordings) V/A - Late Night Tales - new compilation V/A - A Mickey Dread Production - 10” red, green and gold (Music On Vinyl) V/A - The Mood Scene Vol. 2 - 2LP (Universal) V/A - Music for Dreams: Summer Sessions 2020 - LP (Music for Dreams) V/A - Nativity in Black: A Tribute to Black Sabbath (2LP) (gatefold) (transparent clear with heavy black swirl vinyl) (Real Gone Music) V/A - Pin-Up Girls - LP (Vinyl Passion) V/A - Psyché France, Vol. 6 - LP (Warner Music France Back Catalogue) V/A - Pyramid Pieces 1 - LP (The Roundtable) V/A - The Rock and Roll Scene - 2LP (Universal) V/A - The Ska from Jamaica - LP (Trojan) V/A - Studio One 007: License to Ska - James Bond and Other Film & TV Soundtracks (Soul Jazz Records) V/A - Studio One - Studio First: From the Vaults, Vol. 2 - LP or CD (Studio One) V/A - Studio One Rockers (green vinyl) (Soul Jazz Records) V/A - Sun Records 2020 Compilation (placeholder name) V/A - Sweet Relief: A Benefit for Victoria Williams - LP (Legacy/CMG) V/A - Troubled Troubadours - LP color vinyl (Iron Mountain Analogue Research) V/A - Wick Records Battle of the Bands Vol. 1 - LP (Wick Records) V/A - You Flexi Thing, Vol. 6 - 7” (REPEA*T) V/A - You Gotta Have Soul: Raw Sonoran R&B and Funk (1957-1971) - LP (Zia Records) The Vaselines/Pooh Sticks - Split 7”: Dying for It - 7” (Glass Modern) Steve Maxwell Von Braund - The Return to Monster Planet - LP (The Roundtable) The Wake - Here Comes Everybody - LP + 7” (Factory Benelux) Warmduscher - European Cowboy - 12” (The Leaf Label) Warsaw Pakt - Needle Time - LP + 7” (Munster) Roger Waters and guests - The Wall: Live in Berlin - 2LP cleat (UMC/Virgin EMI) Geraint Watkins - Geraint Watkins & The Domniators - 2LP (Jungle) Ben Watt w/ Robert Wyatt - Summer Into Winter - 12” EP (Cherry Red) Mike Watt + The Secondmen - In Quintessence/instrumental (Yep Roc Records) Norman Watt-Roy - Faith & Grace - LP red (Cadiz Music) We Are Scientists - With Love and Squalor: Live in Woodstock 1969 - LP tri-color (100%) The Wedding Present - Shaun Keaveny Session - 7” color vinyl (Hatch) Whiskey Myers - Early Morning Shakes - 2LP (Snakefarm Records) Whiskey Myers - Firewater - 2LP (Snakefarm Records) Tony Joe White - The Beginning - LP white (New West Records) The Who - Odds and Sods: Expanded - 2LP (UMC/Polydor) The Who - A Quick Live One: Captured Live at the Monterey International Pop Festival - LP red, white, blue striped (The Monterey International Pop Foundation) Widespread Panic - Sunday Show (Capitol Theatre, Port Chester, NY 3/24/19) (configuration TBA) Ginger Wildheart - Excess GASS - LP (Round Records) Hank Williams and His Drifting Cowboys w/ Miss Audrey - 1951 March of Dimes - LP red (BMG) Jack Wilson Quartet ft. Roy Ayers - Call Me: Jazz From the Penthouse - 2LP (Century 67) Steven Wilson - two reissues TBA Wire - 10:20:00 - LP (Pink Flag) Wishbone Ash - Live Dates II - LP yellow/clear blue (LMLCulture Factory) Jah Wobble - A Very British Coup - 12” (Youth Sounds) The Wolfgang Press - Unremembered, Remembered: Expanded - LP (4AD) Wonk Unit - Sniffer Time/Bloodlust - 7” purple (PlastereCadiz Music) Ronnie Wood and Keith Richards - The First Barbarians: Live From Kilburn - 3LP (Wooden Records) Wu-Tang - An American Saga (Ltd) Xterminator - Earth Feel It - 7x7” (Xterminator) Yardbirds - Roger The Engineer: Expanded w/ 1966 recordings - 2LP color vinyl (Demon) Neil Young - Homegrown - LP (Reprise) Youth & Nik Turner - Interstellar Energy - LP blue (Youth Sounds/Cadiz Music) Youth & The Slaves of Venus - Wooden Floor - 7” (Youth Sounds/Cadiz Music) Frank Zappa - You Can’t Do That On Stage Anymore - 2LP (UMe) Malena Zavala - La yarara - LP (Yucatan) The Zoo - Presents Chocolate Moose - LP (Reel Music)
- Did time travelers visit the earth’s past? The evidence is overwhelming.- Who left the modern shoe prints found in stone more than 200 million years before man appeared and dinosaurs roamed the planet?- Who left the metallic spheres found in South Africa... obviously made by man... but more than two billion years before man evolved on the earth?- Did modern humans meet their untimely death to have their remains preserved in the earth, hundreds of thousands of years before possible? From where, or perhaps "when," were advanced civilizations visiting our past thousand’s and million’s of years before man appeared on the earth? Explore the Possibilities and the fascinating scientific evidence. These pages contain just the surface of the forbidden knowledge being hidden and protected today... knowledge that suggests a strong possibility that our views of human origins are either incorrect... or maybe that time travelers have already visited Earth’s past.
The False Front Temporal anomalies are scattered throughout the world -- things that could not possibly belong to the time period in which they were found. Evidence exists of human civilization, artifacts and technology out of time that are abundant, well researched and well documented. This forbidden knowledge is being protected and hidden from all of us. Today’s popular view of modern human presence in the distant past is a false front. The real truth is out there showing proof of advanced technology and people millions of years before humanity is stated to have evolved on the planet.
Why has the scientific establishment and government suppressed and ignored these remarkable finds? Where did they come from? How did they get there? Why are we suppressing this suggestive proof of modern time travelers visiting our past?
As you study the forbidden knowledge on these pages a whole new truth will emerge and become apparent to you... the truth that the earth was visited or inhabited by modern humans using advanced technology long before the appearance of the first humans as the history books write today. https://i.redd.it/3rfb2lg1end41.gif The chart above presents the accepted scientific view of evolution on this planet... It shows human beings appearing on the earth about 1.6 million years ago, and human civilization just 10,000 years ago. However, using accepted scientific methods numerous finds show conclusive proof of modern humans and advanced civilizations present or visiting the earth’s past long before this timeline represents as possible. The proof is shocking! Scientific proof of visitors, possibly time travelers, long before civilized man evolved on the planet. From where, or perhaps "when," were advanced civilizations visiting our past thousands or millions of years before man appeared on the earth? As we move further back in time through the different eras, you will see evidence continue to grow... evidence showing proof of modern humans and technology in the distant past. Cenozoic Era Proof The Cenozoic Era is last of the five major eras of geologic time, beginning about 65 million years ago and extending through the present. It follows the Cretaceous period of the Mesozoic era and is subdivided into the Tertiary period and the Quaternary period. Features of Tertiary times are considered in articles under the names of the various shorter time periods (epochs) making up the Tertiary period; in order, from earliest to latest, these are the Paleocene, Eocene, Oligocene, Miocene, and Pliocene. The accepted scientific view of evolution in the Cenozoic Era shows human beings appearing on the earth about 1.6 million years ago, and human civilization just 10,000 years ago. Yet the scientific finds presented below present a very shocking and different story. Pleistocene Epoch Finds - Copper Coin from Illinois, over 200,000 years old This rendition of a coin-like object, from a well boring near Lawn Ridge, Illinois, was found at a depth of about 114 feet below the surface. According to the information supplied by the Illinois State Geological Survey, the deposits containing the coin are between 200,000 and 400,000 years old... https://preview.redd.it/o6c5k1h4end41.jpg?width=198&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ff1989fa96f4673de7438a9abc31ab73106286a Who left this coin hundreds of thousands of years before civilized man evolved? - Modern Human Skeleton from Tanzania, over 800,000 years old In 1913 Professor Hans Reck, of Berlin University, conducted investigations at Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania, then German East Africa. During his stay at Olduvai Gorge, Reck found a modern human skeleton that remains a source of mystery and controversy to this day. https://preview.redd.it/4ty23xp7end41.jpg?width=257&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26b8110fdfe57f17e27b20609c865c434130bda9 This modern skull is from a fully human skeleton found that year. The human skeletal remains, including this complete skull, were cemented in the rock and had to be chipped with hammers and chisels. It was found in the upper end of a rock bed dated at more than 1,000,000 years old. How did this modern human find his way 1,000,000 years into the past? - Willendorf Venus Statue, over 30,000 years old The Willendorf Venus, from Europe, dated at 30,000 years old. Who created or left this artifact nearly 20,000 years before human civilization appeared? https://preview.redd.it/pn8au88aend41.jpg?width=114&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99293de8300168a789bffcf2a0f54ded40afcd95 -Modern Human Skull in Buenos Aires, over 1,000,000 years old In 1896, workers excavating a dry dock in Buenos Aires found a modern human skull. The Pre-Ensenadan stratum in which the Buenos Aires skull was found is a least 1.0 - 1.5 million years old. https://preview.redd.it/y77vw86eend41.jpg?width=284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=313b61de4743264977b1c879ee8f5c1a26247b5d Even at 1 million years the presence of a fully modern human skull anywhere in the world is highly anomalous. Why and how did a modern human arrive in Buenos Aires over 1,000,000 years ahead of its time? Pliocene Epoch Finds -Figurines from Nampa, Idaho, about 2 million years old A small human image, skillfully formed in clay, was found in 1889 at Nampa, Idaho. The figurine came from the the 300-foot level of a well boring and dated to be of the Plio-Pleistocene age, about 2 million years old. G. F. Wright noted,
"The image is about an inch and a half long; and remarkable for the perfection with which it represents the human form... It was a female figure, and had the lifelike lineaments in the parts which were finished that would do credit to the classic centers of art."
Upon showing the object to Professor F. W. Putnam," wrote Wright, "he at once directed attention to the character of the incrustations of iron upon the surface as indicative of a relic of considerable antiquity. There were patches of anhydrous red oxide of iron in protected places upon it, such as could not have been formed upon any fraudulent object."
Humans had not even evolved on this planet two million years ago. So who created or left this artifact in earth’s distant past? -Modern Human Skull found in Italy, over 3 - 4 million years old Late in the summer of 1860, Professor Giuseppe Ragazzoni, a geologist and teacher at the Technical Institute of Brescia, traveled to the nearby locale of Castenedolo, about 10 kilometers southeast of Brescia, to gather fossil shells in the Pliocene strata exposed in a pit at the base of a low hill, the Colle de Vento. https://preview.redd.it/a1iazt2jend41.jpg?width=267&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15a7f5d559901691f6e53aab80144293c6a0afc5 Here he discovered this remarkable and anatomically modern human skull. The stratum from which it was taken is assigned to the Astian stage of the Pliocene. According to modern authorities, the Astian belongs to the Middle Pliocene, which would give the skull an age of 3 - 4 million years. Why and how did this modern human visitItalynearly two million years before human beings walked the planet? -Carved Shell from the Red Crag, England, between 2.0 and 2.5 million years old In a report delivered to the British Association for the Advancement of Science in 1881, H. Stopes, F.G.S. (Fellow of the Geological Society), described a shell, the surface of which bore a carving of a crude but unmistakably human face. The carved shell was found in the stratified deposits of the Red Crag. The Red Crag, part of which is called the Walton Crag, is dated to be of Late Pliocene age between 2.0 and 2.5 million years old. This find would place intelligent beings in England as far back as 2.0 million and maybe as much as 2.5 million years ago. https://preview.redd.it/6lcyuosmend41.jpg?width=301&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=250f51c767b76274650dba658b579f99fe716d93 One should keep in mind that in terms of conventional paleoanthropoligical opinion, one does not encounter such works of art until the time of fully modern Cro-Magnon man in the Late Pleistocene, about 30,000 years ago. What visitor to Earth’s distant past carved and left this shell? Eocene Epoch Finds -Chalk Ball near Laon, France, 45 - 55 million years old The April 1862 edition of The Geologist included an English translation of an intriguing report by Maximilien Melleville, the vice president of the Societe Academique of Laon , France. This chalk ball was discovered in an Early Eocene lignite bed. On the basis of its stratigraphic position, is has been assigned a date of 45 - 55 million years ago. According to Melleville, there was no possibility that the chalk ball was a forgery:
"It really is penetrated over four-fifths of its height by a black bituminous color that merges toward the top into a yellow circle, and which is evidently due to the contact of the lignite in which it had been for so long a time plunged. The upper part, which was in contact with the shell bed, on the contrary has preserved its natural color -- the dull white of the chalk.... As to the rock in which it was found, I can affirm that it is perfectly virgin, and presents no trace whatever of any ancient exploitation.
As extraordinary as it might seem to those attached to standard evolutionary views, the evidence associated in this find suggest that if humans made the ball, they must have been in France 45 - 55 million years ago.
Who made and left this man made artifact in our past long before human evolution... even before grazing and carnivorous mammals walked the planet? -Mortar and Pestle in California, up to 55 million years old In 1877 Mr. J. H. Neale was superintendent of the Montezuma Tunnel Company, and ran the Montezuma tunnel into the gravel underlying the lava of Table Mountain, Tuolumne County... At a distance of between 1400 and 1500 feet from the mouth of the tunnel, or of between 200 and 300 feet beyond the edge of the solid lava, Mr. Neale saw several spear-heads of some dark rock and nearly one foot in length. On exploring further, he himself found a small mortar three or four inches in diameter and of irregular shape. https://preview.redd.it/8bxtmdgtend41.jpg?width=171&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdeeaaa0460fe8ae3a67b973e1c1d38decda8d8d This was discovered within a foot or two of the spear-heads. He then found a large well-formed pestle and near by a large and very regular mortar. All of these relics were found the same afternoon, and were all within a few feet of one another and close to the bed-rock, perhaps within a foot of it. Mr. Neale declares that it is utterly impossible that these relics can have reached the position in which they were found excepting at the time the gravel was deposited, and before the lava cap formed. The position of the artifacts in gravel close to the bed-rock at Tuolumne Table Mountain indicates they were 33-55 million years old. Grazing and carnivorous mammals had not even evolved on the planet at this time. So who brought and left behind these artifacts in California nearly 50 million years ago? -Sling Stone from Bramford, England, 5 - 50 million years old This sling stone is from the detritus bed beneath the Red Crag at Bramford, England. At least Pliocene in age, the stone is at least 5 million and possibly up to 50 million years old. Upon examination it was obvious that the stone had been shaped by the hand of man.... https://preview.redd.it/xqo95afwend41.jpg?width=290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=833d9f36e145315a09034218fb32a92cd10d3ecc The whole surface... has been scraped with a flint, in such a way that it is covered with a series of facets running fairly regularly from end to end.... The scraping described above covers the whole surface of the object, and penetrates into its irregularities. As it stands the object is entirely artificial... yet left in a time millions of years before humans had had even evolved on the Earth. Mesozoic Era Proof The Mesozoic Era is one of the major divisions of geological history, following the Paleozoic era and preceding the Cenozoic era. The Mesozoic era, which lasted from approximately 240 million to 65 million years ago, may be characterized as the Age of Reptiles because their greatest development occurred during this era. The first birds and mammals and the first flowering plants also appeared at this time. The Mesozoic era is divided into three time periods: the Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous. As we move back into time we enter a period in the Mesozoic Era that began with the first dinosaurs appearing on the earth and ending with the development of flowering plants. Humans wouldn’t evolve for at least another 136 million years. Yet the scientific finds below suggest proof that advanced civilizations were visiting Earth’s past and walking at a time when dinosaurs roamed the planet. Cretaceous Period -Metallic Tube at Saint-Jean de Livet, France over 65 million years oldY. Druet and H. Salfati announced in 1968 the discovery of semi-ovoid metallic tubes of identical shape but varying size in Cretaceous chalk. The chalk bed, exposed in a quarry at Saint-Jean de Livet, France, is estimated to be least 65 million years old. https://preview.redd.it/hqute6uzend41.jpg?width=277&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a70ab4dcd8ff0a23e83ee6dfdfb6eeb3ccbc3188 Triassic Period -Shoe Sole from Nevada, dated at 213 - 248 million years ago On October 8, 1922, the American Weekly section of the New York Sunday American ran a prominent feature titled "Mystery of the Petrified ’Shoe Sole," by Dr. W. H. Ballou. Ballou wrote:
"Some time ago, while he was prospecting for fossils in Nevada, John T. Reid, a distinguished mining engineer and geologist, stopped suddenly and looked down in utter bewilderment and amazement at a rock near his feet. For there, a part of the rock itself, was what seemed to be a human footprint!
But there was the outline of at least two-thirds of it, and around this outline ran a well-defined sewn thread which had, it appeared, attached the welt to the sole. Further on was another line of sewing, and in the center, where the foot would have rested had the object really been a shoe sole, there was an indentation, exactly such as would have been made by the bone of the heel rubbing upon and wearing down the material of which the sole had been made. Reid got hold of a microphotographer and an analytical chemist of the Rockefeller Institute, who made photos and analyses of the specimen. The analyses removed any doubt of the shoe sole having been subjected to Triassic fossilization.... The microphoto magnifications are twenty times larger than the specimen itself, showing the minutest detail of thread twist and warp, proving conclusively that the shoe sole is not a resemblance, but is strictly the handiwork of man. Even to the naked eye the threads can be seen distinctly, along with the definitely symmetrical outlines of the shoe sole. Inside this rim and running parallel to it is a line which appears to be regularly perforated as if for stitches. The Triassic rock bearing the fossil shoe sole is now recognized as being dated at 213 - 248 million years old. An obviously modern shoe, complete with stitching, and etched in time in ancient Triassic rock. What modern visitor was walking in our distant past more than 210 million years ago before the age of the dinosaurs? Paleozoic Era Proof The Paleozoic Era is a major division of geological time, preceded by Precambrian time and followed by the Mesozoic era, and including the Cambrian, Ordovician, Silurian, Devonian, Carboniferous, and Permian periods. The Paleozoic Era began about 570 million years ago and ended about 240 million years ago. As we move back even further in time we enter this period of the Paleozoic Era where life was evolving from primitive, multicellular, free-floating forms in the sea to advanced groups on land. The most advanced life forms at the end of this period where amphibians, insects, fern forests, and small reptiles. Humans would not evolve for nearly another 300 million years. Yet the scientific finds below again suggest even more strongly that modern humans with advanced technology were visiting Earth’s past and walking at a time when the first life forms were just beginning to emerge on our planet. Carboniferous Period - Gold Thread in England, between 320 - 360 million years old On June 22, 1844, this curious report appeared in the London Times:
"A few days ago, as some workmen were employed in quarrying a rock close to the Tweed about a quarter of a mile below Rutherford-mill, a gold thread was discovered embedded in the stone at a depth of eight feet."
Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey wrote in 1985 that this stone is of Early Carboniferous age between 320 and 360 million years old. Who dropped this gold thread in the ancient fern forests in a distant time when the most advanced life forms on the planet where amphibians and insects? - Gold Chain from Morrisonville, Illinois, 260 - 320 million years old On June 11, 1891, The Morrisonville Times reported:
"A curious find was brought to light by Mrs. S. W. Culp last Tuesday morning. As she was breaking a lump of coal preparatory to putting it in the scuttle, she discovered, as the lump fell apart, embedded in a circular shape a small gold chain about ten inches in length of antique and quaint workmanship.
At first Mrs. Culp thought the chain had been dropped accidentally in the coal, but as she undertook to lift the chain up, the idea of its having been recently dropped was at once made fallacious, for as the lump of coal broke it separated almost in the middle, and the circular position of the chain placed the two ends near to each other, and as the lump separated, the middle of the chain became loosened while each end remained fastened to the coal.
The lump of coal from which this chain was taken is supposed to come from the Taylorville or Pana mines (southern Illinois) and almost hushes one’s breath with mystery when it is thought for how many long ages the earth has been forming strata after strata which hid the golden links from view. The chain was an eight-carat gold and weighed eight penny-weights."
The Illinois State Geological Survey has said the coal in which the gold chain was found is 260 - 320 million years old. This raises the possibility that culturally advanced human beings were present or visiting in North America during that time. How did this gold chain find itself left behind in Earth’s distant past more than a quarter of a billion years before humans had evolved? - Carved Stone near Webster, Iowa, 260 - 320 million years old The April 2,1897 edition of the Daily News of Omaha, Nebraska, carried an article titled "Carved Stone Buried in a Mine," which described an object from a mine near Webster City, Iowa. The article stated:
"While mining coal today in the Lehigh coal mine, at a depth of 130 feet, one of the miners came upon a piece of rock which puzzles him and he was unable to account for its presence at the bottom of the coal mine. The stone is of a dark grey color and about two feet long, one foot wide and four inches in thickness.
Over the surface of the stone, which is very hard, lines are drawn at angles forming perfect diamonds. The center of each diamond is a fairly good face of an old man having a peculiar indentation in the forehead that appears in each of the pictures, all of them being remarkably alike. Of the faces, all but two are looking to the right. Was this stone carved and left behind by a traveler from earth’s future? - Iron Cup from Oklahoma Coal Mine, 312 million years old On November 27, 1948 the following statement was made by Frank J. Kenwood in Sulphur Springs, Arkansas.
"While I was working in the Municipal Electric Plant in Thomas, Oklahoma in 1912, I came upon a solid chunk of coal which was too large to use. I broke it with a sledge hammer. This iron pot fell from the center leaving the impression mould of the pot in the piece of coal.
Jim Stall (an employee of the company) witnessed the breaking of the coal, and saw the pot fall out. I traced the source of the coal, and found that it came from the Wilburton, Oklahoma, Mines. According to Robert O. Fay of the Oklahoma Geological Survey, the Wilburton mine coal is about 312 million years old. What advanced civilization or visitor was creating or using iron pots in our past more than 300 million years ago? - Block Wall in an Oklahoma Mine, at least 286 million years old W.W. McCormick of Abilene, Texas, reported his grandfather’s account of a stone block wall that was found deep within a coal mine:
"In the year 1928, I, Atlas Almon Mathis, was working in coal mine No. 5., located two miles north of Heavener, Oklahoma. This was a shaft mine, and they told us it was two miles deep. The mine was so deep that they let us down into it on an elevator.... They pumped air down to us, it was so deep." One evening, Mathis was blasting coal loose by explosives in "room 24" of this mine.
"The next morning," said Mathis, "there were several concrete blocks laying in the room. These blocks were 12-inch cubes and were so smooth and polished on the outside that all six sides could serve as mirrors. Yet they were full of gravel, because I chipped one of them open with my pick, and it was plain concrete inside." Mathis added: "As I started to timber the room up, it caved in; and I barely escaped. When I came back after the cave-in, a solid wall of these polished blocks was left exposed. About 100 to 150 yards farther down our air core, another miner struck this same wall, or one very similar." The coal in the mine was Carboniferous, which would mean the wall was at least 286 million years old. According to Mathis, the mining company officers immediately pulled the men out of the mine and forbade them to speak about what they had seen. Mathis said the Wilburton miners also told of finding "a solid block of silver in the shape of a barrel... with the prints of the staves on it," in an area of coal dating between 280 and 320 million years ago. What advance civilization built this wall?... Why was the truth, as is so many of these cases protected and hidden?... What is the real truth about time travelers, modern humans, and modern technology in our past? - Hieroglyphics in Ohio Coal Mine, 260 million year old It is reported that James Parsons, and his two sons, exhumed a slate wall in a coal mine at Hammondville, Ohio, in 1868. It was a large smooth wall, disclosed when a great mass of coal fell away from it, and on its surface, carved in bold relief, were several lines of hieroglyphics. Who carved these hieroglyphics more than 250 years before humans walked the earth? Devonian Period - Nail in Devonian Sandstone, between 360 and 408 million years old In 1844, Sir David Brewster reported that a nail had been discovered firmly embedded in a block of sandstone from the Kingoodie (Mylnfield) Quarry in North Britain. Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey recently indicated that this sandstone is of "Lower Old Red Sandstone age" (Devonian, between 360 and 408 million years old). In his report to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, Brewster stated:
"The particular block in which the nail was found, was nine inches thick, and in proceeding to clear the rough rock for dressing, the point of the nail was found projecting about half an inch (quite eaten with rust) into the ’till,’ the rest of the nail lying along the surface of the stone to within an inch of the head, which went right down into the body of the stone."
The fact that the head of the nail was buried in the sandstone block would seem to rule out the possibility the nail had been pounded into the block after it was quarried. This was a time where amphibians and insects were the only dominant life form on our planet. So who dropped this nail to have it eventually preserved in rock at a time more than 350 million years before humans appeared? Cambrian Period - Shoe Print in Utah Shale, 505 to 590 Million Years Old In 1968, William J. Meister, a draftsman and amateur trilobite collector, reported finding a shoe print in the Wheeler Shale near Antelope Spring, Utah. This shoe-like indentation and its cast were revealed when Meister split open a block of shale. https://preview.redd.it/7mpd9n15fnd41.jpg?width=327&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08018f5c8a16b38ef8c188cb853b2a624a81b66b Clearly visible within the imprint were the remains of trilobites, extinct marine arthropods. The shale holding the print and the trilobite fossils is from the Cambrian, and would thus be 505 to 590 million years old. Meister described the ancient shoe-like impression in an article that appeared in the Creation Research Society Quarterly:
"The heel print was indented in the rock about an eighth of an inch more than the sole. The footprint was clearly that of the right foot because the sandal was well worn on the right side of the heel in the characteristic fashion."
At this time in our planet’s history there was no plant or animal life on the land, even the most early types of fish swimming in the seas had not yet evolved. It must have been a very barren landscape that this visitor to Earth’s past saw as he walked the land. How did he arrive so far into our past? Pre-Cambrian Period -Metallic Vase from Pre-Cambrian Rock, over 600 Million Years Old The following report, titled "A Relic of a Bygone Age," appeared in the magazine Scientific American (June 5, 1852):
"A few days ago a powerful blast was made in the rock at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, a few rods south of Rev. Mr. Hall’s meeting house. The blast threw out an immense mass of rock, some of the pieces weighing several tons, and scattered fragments in all directions. Among them was picked a metallic vessel in two parts, rent asunder by the explosion. On putting the parts together it formed a bell-shaped vessel, 4-1/2 inches high, 6-1/2 inches at the base, 2-1/2 inches at the top, and about an eighth of an inch in thickness.
The body of this vessel resembles zinc in color, or a composition metal, in which there is a considerable portion of silver. On the side there are six figures of a flower, or bouquet, beautifully inlaid with pure silver, and around the lower part of the vessel a vine, or wreath, also inlaid with silver.
The chasing, carving, and inlaying are exquisitely done by the art of some cunning workman. This curious and unknown vessel was blown out of the solid pudding stone, fifteen feet below the surface." According to a recent U.S. Geological Survey map of the Boston-Dorchester area, the pudding stone, now called the Roxbury conglomerate, is of Precambrian age, over 600 million years old. By standard accounts, life was just beginning to form on this planet during the Precambrian. But in the Dorchester vessel we have evidence indicating the presence of artistic metal workers in North America over 600 million years before Leif Erikson. At this time in our planets history the was no life on land, plant or animal. The most advance life-form at this barren time in our planets history was simple algae floating in the seas. Yet somehow through time this beautiful work or art was brought and left behind and eventually buried and preserved in ancient rock. Did a time traveler from the earths future leave this behind in the hopes of later discovery... in an attempt to help ensure that the truth about time travel would one day be revealed? -Grooved Sphere from South Africa, 2.8 Billion Years Old Over the past several decades, South African miners have found hundreds of metallic spheres, at least one of which has three parallel grooves running around its equator. https://preview.redd.it/ki1es6uafnd41.jpg?width=261&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0235bd2d43279b70961451543e7f32add3ecc93 The spheres are of two types
"one of solid bluish metal with white flecks, and another which is a hollow ball filled with a white spongy center."
Roelf Marx, curator of the museum of Klerksdorp, South Africa, where some of the spheres are housed, said:
"The spheres are a complete mystery. They look man-made, yet at the time in Earth’s history when they came to rest in this rock no intelligent life existed. The globes are found in pyrophyllite, which is mined near the little town of Ottosdal in the Western Transvaal. This pyrophyllite is a quite soft secondary mineral with a count of only 3 on the Mohs’ scale and was formed by sedimentation about 2.8 billion years ago. On the other hand the globes are very hard and cannot be scratched, even by steel."
The sphere with the three parallel grooves around it are too perfect to be anything but man made. The Precambrian mineral deposit where the globes are found is dated to be at least 2.8 billion years old. At this time simple microscopic cells were all that was alive on the earth. But this is obviously not true. Who created or left behind these magnificent spheres. Obviously man made, and stronger than steel, what was their purpose for the people who visited and left them behind in time? Other Finds -Artifacts From AIX En Provence, France In his book Mineralogy, Count Bournon recorded an intriguing discovery that had been made by French workmen in the latter part of the eighteenth century. Bournon wrote:
"During the years 1786, 1787, and 1788, they were occupied near AIX en Provence, in France, in quarrying stone for the rebuilding , upon a vast scale, of the Palace of Justice. The stone was a limestone of deep grey, and of that kind which are tender when they come out of the quarry, but harden by exposure to the air.
The strata were separated from one another by a bed of sand mixed with clay, more or less calcareous. The first which were wrought presented no appearance of any foreign bodies, but, after the workmen had removed the ten first beds, they were astonished, when taking away the eleventh, to find its inferior surface, at the depth of forty or fifty feet, covered with shells. The stone of this bed having been removed, as they were taking away a stratum of argillaceous sand, which separated the eleventh bed from the twelfth, they found stumps of columns and fragments of stone half wrought, and the stone was exactly similar to that of the quarry: they found moreover coins, handles of hammers, and other tools or fragments of tools in wood. But that which principally commanded their attention, was a board about one inch thick and seven or eight feet long; it was broken into many pieces, of which none were missing, and it was possible to join them again one to another, and to restore to the board or plate its original form, which was that of the boards of the same kind used by the masons and quarry men: it was worn in the same manner, rounded and waving upon the edges." Count Bournon, continuing his description, stated:
"The stones which were completely or partly wrought, had not at all changed in their nature, but the fragments of the board, and the instruments, and pieces of instruments of wood, had been changed into agate, which was very fine and agreeably colored. Here then, we have the traces of a work executed by the hand of man, placed at a depth of fifty feet, and covered with eleven beds of compact limestone: everything tended to prove that this work had been executed upon the spot where the traces existed.
The presence of man had then preceded the formation of this stone. - Letter-like Shapes in Marble, Philadelphia In 1830, letter-like shapes were discovered within a solid block of marble from a quarry 12 miles northwest of Philadelphia. The marble block was taken from a depth of 60-70 feet. https://preview.redd.it/rkhmgf1efnd41.jpg?width=334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f3489a8fb7d1e3c1ef5033579d80298cf0436f2 This was reported in the American Journal of Science (vol. 19, 1831, p. 361). The quarry workers removed layers of gneiss, mica slate, hornblende, talcose slate, and primitive clay slate before coming to the layer from which the block containing the letter-like shapes were cut. While they were sawing through the block, the workmen happened to notice a rectangular indentation, about 1.5 inches wide by .625 inches high, displaying two raised characters. Several respectable gentlemen from nearby Norristown, Pennsylvania, were called to the scene and inspected the object. It is hard to explain the formation of the characters as products of natural physical processes. This suggests the characters were made by intelligent humans in the distant past.
2020.01.09 18:00 SaintRidleyWrestling Observer Rewind ★ June 29, 1987
Going through old issues of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and posting highlights in my own words, continuing in the footsteps of daprice82. For anyone interested, I highly recommend signing up for the actual site at f4wonline and checking out the full archives. FUTURE YEARS ARCHIVE: The Complete Observer Rewind Archive by daprice82
Update on the Terry Taylor car accident. Last week Dave mentioned that Taylor was injured, but didn’t have much in the way of details other than the story that they were side swiped. We now know that he was riding in the back seat and Gilbert slammed the brakes when the car pulled out in front of them. Gilbert hit the brakes so hard that the seat belt around Taylor’s waist cut him from the impact (Dave says he “was literally cut in two by the belt around the abdomen”). The shoulder straps on Gilbert and Hyatt kept them from suffering similarly, and it’s likely if any of them hadn’t been wearing their seatbelts they would not have survived. He spent the past week in a New Orleans hospital and had part of his intestine removed, as well as his appendix, in addition to the repair work on his abdominal muscles. His earliest return date is speculated to be September, but November is much more likely. UWF plans include several interviews and promos to keep him fresh in viewers’ minds. What’s going to be tricky is that he had just made a major heel turn (Dave would say his newly turned character was the hottest act in UWF), but coming back from an injury like this is going to mean he’s an automatic babyface upon return. So that’s going to be a hell of a needle to thread. Taylor’s surgery required 18 staples in his stomach, and if the injuries had been even slightly more severe his career would be over.
Also in a car wreck last week were the New Breed, Chris Champion and Sean Royal. Dave only has sketchy details on that. The accident happened about a day or two after Taylor’s and was in North Carolina. Initial estimates had Champion out for at least a year and Royal out for a minimum of two months. After a few days of recovery, Champion’s estimated return is as early as the end of August. Both men went through the windshield of their car, and fire was involved somehow as well. Both were treated for cuts, bruises, and burns (3rd degree in Royal’s case).
Continuing the theme of motor vehicle accidents, Kerry Von Erich had his bad ankle (from a motorcycle accident last year) fused about a week ago. Doctors couldn’t do much beyond basically weld the joint into walking position. There’s no flexibility or dexterity left in that joint, and Dave sees this as the end of Kerry’s career for all intents and purposes. No doubt he’ll have comebacks and gimmick matches, but a full recovery is out of the question enough that Dave never sees him resuming a legitimate wrestling career. Just wait until Dave learns Kerry doesn’t even have a foot.
New Japan has a whole lot of weird stuff happening in the wake of Riki Choshu’s June 1 return. They did three shows in 12 days that grossed $190,000 gates each and Antonio Inoki pinned Masa Saito on June 12 at Sumo Hall to win the IWGP tournament. After the match, Choshu stormed the ring with Tatsumi Fujinami, Akira Maeda, Super Strong Machine, and Kengo Kimura to announce they were forming a new group (a new faction, not a new promotion, Dave clarifies). So all the Fujinami/Choshu matches they’d built toward aren’t going to happen. Why would New Japan drop all the hot angles they’d built up and knew would draw massive gates for an angle that will work, but probably won’t draw nearly as much? They’re still in a weird position, too, as TV-Asahi hasn’t broadcast any match involving Choshu for fear of legal retaliation by Nippon TV, so all Choshu’s appearances at tv tapings have been in dark matches after the taping, which has the additional effect of bumping Inoki’s matches from “main event” status for the live crowd. So while gates are booming, tv ratings are still poor due to no Choshu.
Dave spent the weekend in Houston, Texas with a few readers at Crockett’s Western States tournament card on June 20. The show drew about 3,400 fans for a $20,000 gate, and the show was good, but UWF is hurting for main event heels without Taylor. Black Bart of all people was in the finals. Dave thinks Crockett should make a play for the Midnight Rockers and turn them heel. By the way, Dave didn’t mention it last week, but the Rockers don’t have jobs anymore. He makes a joke about it when talking about Shane Douglas (who was in the opening battle royal on this show), and says that Douglas in two years might end up where Shawn Michaels is now (not out of a job, but as a star teenybopper babyface who puts on good matches). Anyway, he reviews the rest of the show as well and the final of the tournament saw Barry Windham beat Black Bart in a match where 20% of the crowd left before it even started. Surprisingly the match wound up really good anyway.
There’s a tape called “Secrets of Pro Wrestling” that came out last week. The brochure for it says two ex pros who got a raw deal from promoters are going to expose the business. Dave hopes nothing comes of this.
A judge overturned the ruling in the Big Daddy (not the UK Big Daddy) vs. Dusty Rhodes lawsuit. This is the suit where Big Daddy claimed his career was ended by being told by Dusty to bump over the top rope, whereupon he broke his ankle. He won the initial ruling on the grounds that Dusty’s response to the court’s attempts to reach him were completely uncooperative. But about a week ago a judge ruled that the ruling was too harsh against Dusty when Dusty didn’t have a chance to defend himself, so it’s been overturned.
Iron Sheik will get a year of probation for cocaine possession. All charges will be dropped upon completion of probation. No word on how his career will be affected, but he’s still officially “suspended” by WWF.
WWF injury updates: Jake Roberts is back early. He’s in great pain, but he got back in the ring on June 19. Harley Race still wrestled Hogan on June 6 and is making his dates, despite tearing knee ligaments. Dave believes he’s going to be taking a break in about a week.
WWF debuts: Chavo Guerrero is set to debut at the June 23 tv tapings. Billy Graham will be on the following tapings on July 15-16. Jack Hart will be coming in from Memphis in mid-July, but since they have Bret and Jimmy, they’ll probably want to give him a new last name. Dingo Warrior is in WWF on the c-team level (more on him when we get to World Class).
So the big news with the Midnight Rockers is this: they got fired after just one match. That’s gotta be a new record. Apparently they and McMahon didn’t see eye to eye and got let go after a week. They were demanding money and the tag titles, it seems, and McMahon just didn’t want the headache. So out they go. Guess we’ll never know what they could have been in WWF. I bet that Marty Janetty could have become something. Michaels could make a good heartthrob, but I just don’t see him going beyond that level.
[WWF] Ted DiBiase has made some c-string appearances for WWF already, working as a babyface. But he’ll be pushed when he gets to television in early August as a heel with some kind of rich playboy gimmick.
So Dingo Warrior is out of WCCW. He went to the Von Erichs and demanded a guaranteed contract and something like $1500/month (hardly unreasonable) but was turned down. He went to UWF, but they didn’t want him. He finally settled on the WWF c-string deal where he’s not on tv and not getting a push. He was supposed to have a world title match with Kevin Von Erich, but that’s been scrapped and World Class has announced that Al Perez beat Dingo Warrior “in the Carribean” for the Texas Title.
World Class shows their class, double hitter. First, they did a lumberjack match at a recent show where Brian Adias beat Al Madril following a punch to the neck, with all the babyfaces rushing in to try and revive Madril (recreating the scene from a few weeks back where Kevin Von Erich legitimately passed out). On commentary they were acting like they were in fear for Madril’s life. And coming up on June 26 in Dallas, they’re giving away free posters of Mike Von Erich to attract fans, as well as letting all fathers in free (they’re now doing a gimmick each week where all fathers/mothers/kids/teens/whatevers get in free in an attempt to get enough of an audience for the show to look remotely good on tv). Attendance is higher with the free admission, but the gates aren’t growing at all.
Oklahoma newspapers were saying Jim Ross offered Brian Bosworth $25,000 to be in Steve Williams’ corner for a match in UWF. No doubt UWF would love to have Bosworth, but Dave doubts they’ll do it because they already have an Oklahoma University tie-in happening for the July 11 Oklahoma City show (Barry Switzer’s doing stuff with Williams then).
New Japan is doing good business with Choshu able to actually wrestle. Nothing really new from last issue on this front, but they have pretty much eliminated comedy from their tv.
All Japan’s next tour begins July 3 and ends July 30, but the big show on their current tour on June 9 was announced as a sellout in Budokan Hall (should be a $400,000 gate if legit). But All Japan announces a sellout in Tokyo any time they come near 4000 seats sold, let alone the 12,000 they’d need for Budokan Hall. Dave hopes to have real numbers in a week or two. That featured Giant Baba vs. Rajah Lion lasting 1:44 with Baba securing a submission and having Lion request that Baba train him so he can be the tallest pro wrestler in the world. Dave’s not seen the match, but going by photos he estimates Lion to be five or six inches taller than Baba, who is legit around 6’8” or so.
[AJW] The Crush Gals had another match on June 13. Lioness Asuka beat Chigusa Nagayo here, and Dave notes that their matches are the best there are in wrestling, with FlaiWindham not even a close second.
[AWA] A couple trivia notes: Sheik Adnan al-Kaissey placed in the 1952 Helsinki Olympics in Greco-Roman wrestling in the 198 lb weight class. He didn’t represent the U.S. or Iraq, though, but Greece, where he was born. Wahoo McDaniel’s little league coach when he was a boy was current Vice President George Bush.
A while back, Dave said something about wanting Crockett to not focus the cameras on Magnum T.A. while he struggles to get into position for interviews. A letter writer takes exception to that with what Dave agrees is an excellent point: we should be applauding Magnum’s struggles rather than turning our heads and pretending they don’t exist, as this “is a classic example of the general public’s tendency to have the physically impaired heard, but not seen.” Crockett has an opportunity to make its audience face what has happened to Magnum, and hiding it does nothing good for anybody.
In the letters, Mike Lanzalotti comes in with what seems like a preposterous take: WWF will be the only game in town. He writes that it’s looking more and more like this will be the case, but he does think it’ll kill Macho Man to turn him face (see how well it worked in Memphis). As for Crockett, what Lanzalotti thinks is necessary for them to compete, is to offer something completely different and also combine Florida, JCP, and UWF into one big promotion - it’s an insult to Ric Flair and even Hulk Hogan to call Big Bubba a world champion. Combining all three into one thing wound up being part of the transition to WCW, and WWF eventually does become the only game in town, so maybe Lanzalotti was on to something.
[WWF] Dave thinks this is kind of an amazing statistic. At the June 16 Albuquerque card, they had only 1705 fans. When they announced Hulk Hogan would appear on July 20, more than 2000 tickets were purchased within 30 minutes of the announcement. Curious.
Details on the split between Dave McLane and GLOW. McLane and the guys in charge of GLOW had a disagreement on the content. The financial backers wanted more T&A and comedy, while McLane felt the show would die on tour if it continued like that. So he left and took 21 of the 26 wrestlers with him to form POWW. And they’re teaching them how to actually wrestle. They had a date scheduled for Felt Forum in Madison Square Garden for June 20, but canceled it until October, citing a lack of exposure in the area. POWW is scheduling a show in Miami for August and will start syndication in September (most of the women in POWW will also be on GLOW in September because they’ve already filmed season 2 of GLOW). So in case you get confused, remember that the GLOW tapings were last year when none of them knew how to wrestle. Same women on both shows, but different names. Dave saw a demo tape for POWW and while the wrestling isn’t good, it’s much better than GLOW and some of the promos are actually good (and it shows that a lot of the wrestlers did high school drama).
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